myrizvi

aap kis ko samjha rahay hain jin ko Allah ki kitab aur Nabi SAW ki ahadees se samajh nhn aai aur inkari ho gai un ko ap ki yeh tareekhi batain kahan samjh aain gi

Mufti

Welcome back.

Aap ne ohad k pahaar per kafi din laga diye lagta hai lambi tution li hai aap ne,issi liye to itna uchal rahay hain kher mein ne to siyah posh aka wehshi ko kaha tha k jo naam tum ne quote kiye hain inn ko sabit karo lakin jis jahil ko 47 saal tak yeh na pata chal saka k yazeed lanati sahabi tha ya nahi,woh kahan se sabit kerta.

Bas jab bhi kaho k kuch sabit karo to yeh keh ker ohad k pahaar per cherh jata hai k mein behas nahi kerna chahta :P

Kher mein aap ko welcome kerta hoon aur umeed kerta hoon k jo wehshi ne apni jahiliat mein itnay naam ahle bait mein likh diye hain,aap zaroor unn ko sabit karo ge.

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thanks..

ghabraya mat kro .mey pahar k upar charta hun or puri dunia ko nzar aa rah hota hun.. mey dar k maray pahar k ghaar k andar mun chupa kr nahi beth jata ..

kafi josh cahra hua hy kia baat hy ji?? lagtar hy meny jo tmhy tmahari hadees ka hawala dia tha wazu waal or tm uska tarjuma krwany nikly thy umeed hy tmhy uska urdu tarjuma mil gya hoga.. ya abhi tak tmhy koi aesa sahab nahi mila jo uska urdu tarjuma kr k bta day..

mey to kuch sabit nahi krta khud sy.. mey to sirf reaction mey reply krta hun.. koi jhut bol rha ho ya ilzaam lga raha ho to mey uska jhut pakarta hun .. to mey kiun mahnat krun kuch sabit keny mey???

meny jin baaton ko highlight kia tha un pr tmny koi tabsara nahi kia?

khair mey keh chuka hun k ab mey b bahas nahi krun ga.. tm koi sabak par k aaie ho to daughter wala topic pahly sy mojud hy ab achy bachon ki tarhan fatafat un riwayaton ko galat sabit krna start krdo

Wehshi

Tumhari jahiliat to yahen nazar aa gaye k tum khud ko sunni musalman kehtay ho.

Kis jahil ne kaha k tum sunni ho ??

Tum to 5% ki woh gundagi ho jo ibn wahab ki paidawar ho jo 200 saal se pehlay iss duniya mein kabhi nahi thi.

Tumharay moun se sunni lafz acha nahi lagta,issi liye tum khud ko wahabi kaho jo aal e saud aur aal e yahud ki paidawar hain.

Tum ne kaha k mein ne Quran ko manta hon aur na daleel ko to mujhay sirf itna bata do k kahan tum ne mujh se behas mein Quran ka ref. diya ya koi daleel di ??

Tum to bas ohad k bhagoray ki terha pahaar per cherh ker berkein martay ho,kher agar tum samajhtay ho k tum Quran o daleel se apna fasiq aqeeda sahi sabit ker saktay ho to mein tumhain ijazat deta hoon k tum yeh koshish bhi ker k dekh lo :P

Lakin itna yaad rakhna k yeh ohad ka maidan nahi hai k tum apnay jadd ki terha bakri ki terha chalangein martay huay cherh jao ge aur yeh alfaz meray nahi hain balkeh ussi k apnay alfaz hain jo ohad k pahaar per cherh gaya tha bakri ki terha agar meri baat ka ayqeen na aaye to apnay dharam ki tafaseer khol ker perh lena :P

Tum ne kaha k Mola Ali a.s ki beti ki shaadi umar se hui...

Chalo agar mein nahi manta to tum sabit ker k dikha do agar himmat hai to :P

Lakin itna yaad rakhna k sabit sabit kertay mein tumhain tumharay hi dharam ki books se itna zaleel karon ga jitna tum abhi tak nahi huay :P

Aur tumhain ilm ho k mushrikeen e Makkah kon thay ??

Jo mushrikeen e makkah thay tum unn ki nasal ki pooja bhi ker rahay ho,hum to azal se unn ko mantay hain jo Rasool saww k sath thay aur sath rahay hum unn ko nahi mantay k zara se baat hui aur Rasool saww ko choar ker bakri ki terha pahaar per cherh gaye.

Kher iss terha ki ghatya baatein ker k tum apna khoon sabit na karo,mujhay ilm hai k tumhara khoon kitna gunda hai,agar tumhaink oi ilmi baat aati hai to woh karo...

Jis dharam k baray pandit ka aisa shajra ho k behan,maabeti se zinah kiya aur nasal berhay,uss k parokar waisay hi gunday khoon ki paidawar hon ge aur unn ki soch bhi ais hi ho gi jaisi k tumhari hai...

Agar yaqeen na aaye to kabhi fursat nikal ker hazrat umar ka shajra perhna,yaqeen karo k perh ker bohat lutf aaye ga :P

Batman1

un ka jawab ho ga tab na

ab talash keray ga koi hikayat ya riwayat kiun k sahi hadees aur ayat to milti nhn in ko 30 siparon se aagay jo ayat hain in ki unhian koi musalman manta nhn

Mufti

Kisi ka sunni molvi agar janaza perha de to woh sunni nahi ho jata,yahan ka dastoor hai k yahan sunni bhi janaza perha detay hain khua foat honay wala shia hi kiun na ho aur media sirf wohi janaza dikhata hai jo unn k dharam k mutabiq hai,yeh munafaqat azal se chali aa rahi hai.

Quaid e Azam sahab ka khandan shia tha aur shia hi raha,iss mein kisi ko bhi shaq nahi hai.

Kal tak quaid e azam ko kafir e azam kehnay walay aaj uss k maalik buntay nazar aa rahay hain.

kal tak nehru aur gandhi ki goad mein quaid e azam aur pakistan k khilaf fatwa denay walay aaj kis moun se uss ko sunni maan rahay hain :P

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hmmm.. to tm us janazay ki pic dikha do jo shia ney parhaya tha...
Qaid azam ki tarhan ksi or moatabar shaks ki misaal do k jo shia tha lakin janaza sunni ny parhaya ??
or

or Janaza agr munafiqat ki bunyad pr ksi sunni ny parha dia to Eid ki namaz Qayad azam ney to khud sunni alim k pichy parhi thi.. uska kia bahana bnao gy ab??

or baki k points ko kiun chor dia??

Qaid Azam ki baat ho rahi hy unky khandaan ki nahi ho rahi ..

or yeh un sy ja kr kaho jo fatway dy rahy hen.. mujhy mat btao

Wehshi

Mein ne tujhay bohat pehlay kaha tha k tum inn namoon ko ahle bait mein hona sabit ker k dikhao lakin tum to apnay khalifah ki sunnat per amal kertay huay ohad k bhagoray ho jatay ho aur phir kabhi kabhi neechay aa ker bakwas kertay ho aur phir ussi ki terha pahaar per cherh jatay ho :P

Tum iss topic per baat kerna start to karo phir dekho mein tumharay jhootay dharam ka kiya hashar kerta hoon tumharay hi dharam ki books se :P

Tum fake IDs bana ker apni lutti hui izzat bachanay ki koshish kertay rhay lakin apni jahiliat ki wajah se pakray jatay ho.

Kher ab Batman1 ki goad mein beth ker mat uchalo,himmat karo aur jo mein ne kaha hai uss ka jawab do aur inn namon ko ahle bait mein shamil karo.

mufty

sabit us bat ko kiya jata hai jis ko koi janta na ho

jo baat sab jantay hain usay kya sabit kerna tum in namon ka ehal e bait main na hona sabit kerdo sahi ahadees se

wesay bhi tum is qabil hi nhn ho k tumhari kisi bat ka jawab diya jai is liyay jao tum sabit kero k yeh naam nhn hain ehal e bait main

Mufti

yeh ohad ka maidan nahi hai k tum apnay jadd ki terha bakri ki terha chalangein martay huay cherh jao ge aur yeh alfaz meray nahi hain balkeh ussi k apnay alfaz hain jo ohad k pahaar per cherh gaya tha bakri ki terha agar meri baat ka ayqeen na aaye to apnay dharam ki tafaseer khol ker perh lena :P

Jo mushrikeen e makkah thay tum unn ki nasal ki pooja bhi ker rahay ho,hum to azal se unn ko mantay hain jo Rasool saww k sath thay aur sath rahay hum unn ko nahi mantay k zara se baat hui aur Rasool saww ko choar ker bakri ki terha pahaar per cherh gaye.

Jis dharam k baray pandit ka aisa shajra ho k behan,maabeti se zinah kiya aur nasal berhay,uss k parokar waisay hi gunday khoon ki paidawar hon ge aur unn ki soch bhi ais hi ho gi jaisi k tumhari hai...

Agar yaqeen na aaye to kabhi fursat nikal ker hazrat umar ka shajra perhna,yaqeen karo k perh ker bohat lutf

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oh jhutay aadmi meny tmhy sabit kia tha k woh bakri wali riwayat zaeef hey tm phir uska shor macha rahy ho bewa aurton ki tarhan ?? meri admin sy request hy k mufti ki jhuti or fazul baaton ko delte kr dai kren..

or tm yeh hawa fire nahi kia kro.. jo baat ho uska hawala dia kro.. kisky shajry ki baat kr rahy ho tm ... ek bat yaad rakho mey bhi tmhy tmahri kitabon ka gand dikahn ga phir

Batman1

Aray janab aap to ghussa mein aa gaye :P

Hosla karo zara thanda paani pee ker aao aur phir post karo.

Aap to topics se aisay bhagay thay jaisay hazrat umar ohad k maidan se bhagay thay.

Aur ab itnay din baad wapas aa ker berkein maar rahay hain.

Aur yeh posts delete kernay ki request mat karo kiun k agar aisa hua to phir koi post bhi nahi bachay gi balkeh topic bhi nahi rahay ga.

Kher jahan tak bakri wali hadith hai to janab woh aap ki sayyah satta mein hai.

Ab jahan tak baat hai shajra ki to woh mein aap k hazrat umar k shajra ki baat ker raha hoon jo aap hi ki sunni books mein hai.

Mufti

konsi bakri wali riayat ki baat kr rahy ho jo siya sata mey hy?? hawal do uska proper.. yeh kehna kafi nahi hota k siha sata mey hy .or mey sari siha sata mey dhundta phirun..

to hawal to do shajray wali book ka.. takay mey jawab dy sakun..

Batman1

Abhi to aap ferma rahay thay k woh riwayat zaeef hai aur ab aap ko yeh bhi nahi pata k woh riwayat hai kis book mein :P

Issi liye kehtay hain k jhoot k paon nahi hotay.

Kher janab aap ki itela k liye arz hai k agar aap arabic book mein dekhna chahein ge to woh aap ko Sunan Ibn Majah Baab Raza Ul Kabeer mein milay gi aur agar aap urdu translation mein check kerna chahein to woh aap ko Baab Kitab ul Nikah mein milay gi aur hadith no. hai 1944.

Ab jahan tak baat hai shajra ki to pehlay hum iss per baat ker lein uss k baad shajra bhi nikalein ge InshAllah.

Mufti

itny masoom kiun ban rahy ho??? meri woh purani post dubara ja kr chek kro.. woh ksi siha sata ki riwaayt nahi thi.. woh tm ny tafseer ki book sy riwayat di thi or meny uska original source bhi btaya tha k woh Tibri sy li gaye hy or woh zaeef hy.. ab tafseeer wali book or tabri kub sy siah sata mey shamil ho gayen??

theeek hy mey tmhara hawal dekh kr jawab dun ga

Shajra

theek hy shajry pr baad mey baat kren gen

or mey tmhy tmarhy Imamo ki haalt zindagi bhi btaun ga tmahri books sy.. yakken kro tmhy bhi bohot lutf aay ga woh parh k

Mufti

tm kia dusron ko bewakuf samajhty ho???

meny tmsy Bakri k Quran khany wali riwayat ki bat nahi ki.. tmny mera reply nahi prha tha kia?? mera to tareeka hi yh hy k ksi ka reply copy past kr k nichy apna reply krta hun .. tmhy phir bhi nahi pta chala k mey kis riwyat ki baat kr rha huh??

Mufti

yeh ohad ka maidan nahi hai k tum apnay jadd ki terha bakri ki terha chalangein martay huay cherh jao ge aur yeh alfaz meray nahi hain balkeh ussi k apnay alfaz hain jo ohad k pahaar per cherh gaya tha bakri ki terha agar meri baat ka ayqeen na aaye to apnay dharam ki tafaseer khol ker perh lena :P

meny tmsy is baat ka reply kia tha k yeh baat meny tmhy sabit krdi thi k yeh riwayat zaeef hy ..

Batman1

Aray janab aap to ghussa mein aa jatay hain bohat jald kabhi kehtay hain k woh riwayat zaeef hai aur kabhi kehtay hain siyyah satta mein kahan yeh riwayat mojood hai :P

Kher mein ne aap ko ref. bata diya hai k woh kon se book mein hai lakin abhi tak aap ne koi jawab nahi diya.

Agar tabari ki aap baat ker rahay hain to janab tabari ne bhi khud to riwayat banaye nahi ho gi,itni aqal to aap k paas ho gi k aakhir uss ne bhi kisi hadith book se riwayat li ho gi.

Aap ussay zaeef sabit karein,uss k baad mein aap ko bataon ga k woh riwayat zaeef hai ya nahi.

Aap ne sunan ibn majah mein check ker li ya nahi ??

Mufti

tmny khud ibn maja meny kabhi apna dia hua hawala check kia hy???

mujhy nahi mil rahi tmhari riwayat.. tm us hadees k alfaaz bta do taky mujhy dhundy mey asani ho jaye. bus kisa hi khatam.. tmhy bhi or mujhy bhi samajh aa jaye gi ..

mery paas bhi aqk hy or tabari k pas bhi aql hey.. agl aapky pas nahi hy.. tabari ney tareek tabri sy woh riwayat li hy .. ab yeh mat keh dena k tareekh tabari ek hadees ki book hy or uska musanif imam bukhari hey ...

Batman1

Pehlay tum yeh batao k tum kon se bakri ki baat ker rahay ho kiun k history mein 2 bakrian mashoor hain aik to ayesha ki bakri jo Qurani ayaat kha gaye aur dosri umar bakri.

Jo ref. mein tumhain de raha hoon woh ayesha ki bakri ka hai na k umar bakri ka.

Tumhain chahiye k baat ko clear ker diya karo ta k confussion na ho.

Ab issi confussion mein tum shayed umar bakri ki baat ker rahay thay aur mein ayesha ki bakri samajh raha tha :P

Kher tum bakri clear karo ta k mujhay baat samajh aaye,aisa na ho k ayesha bakri aur umar bakri mix hi ho jaein.

mufti

tm mery reply ko pahly 10 baar parha kro ya phir apny ksi movi sy parha lia kro.. tm ulta mujhy keh rahy ho k mey clear krun.. meny tmsy Quran ka bakri kahany ka hawala maanga hy kahin??

mey tmhy pahly bhi kaha tha k mera to itna clear replyb hota hy k ksi bachay ko bhi samajh aa jaye to phr kia waja hy k mthy nazar nahi aa rha tha..

mey dubara tmhara dawa or apna reply yahan copy past kr rha hun.. mery pas itna time nahi hy k tmhy tmhara sawal samjhaun or phir jawab dun...

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yeh ohad ka maidan nahi hai k tum apnay jadd ki terha bakri ki terha chalangein martay huay cherh jao ge aur yeh alfaz meray nahi hain balkeh ussi k apnay alfaz hain jo ohad k pahaar per cherh gaya tha bakri ki terha agar meri baat ka ayqeen na aaye to apnay dharam ki tafaseer khol ker perh lena :P

Jo mushrikeen e makkah thay tum unn ki nasal ki pooja bhi ker rahay ho,hum to azal se unn ko mantay hain jo Rasool saww k sath thay aur sath rahay hum unn ko nahi mantay k zara se baat hui aur Rasool saww ko choar ker bakri ki terha pahaar per cherh gaye.

Jis dharam k baray pandit ka aisa shajra ho k behan,maabeti se zinah kiya aur nasal berhay,uss k parokar waisay hi gunday khoon ki paidawar hon ge aur unn ki soch bhi ais hi ho gi jaisi k tumhari hai...

Agar yaqeen na aaye to kabhi fursat nikal ker hazrat umar ka shajra perhna,yaqeen karo k perh ker bohat lutf

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oh jhutay aadmi meny tmhy sabit kia tha k woh bakri wali riwayat zaeef hey tm phir uska shor macha rahy ho bewa aurton ki tarhan ?? meri admin sy request hy k mufti ki jhuti or fazul baaton ko delte kr dai kren..

or tm yeh hawa fire nahi kia kro.. jo baat ho uska hawala dia kro.. kisky shajry ki baat kr rahy ho tm ... ek bat yaad rakho mey bhi tmhy tmahri kitabon ka gand dikahn ga phir

Batman1

Tumharay kehnay se umar bhagora bahadur nahi bun jaye ga,yeh to aik haqeeqat hai k umar ohad se bhaga ab woh pahaar per kisi bakri ki terha cherha ya kisi aur janwar ki terha iss se koi farq nahi perta :P

Kher topic per wapas aaein ya tum topic k ilawa her baat kertay raho ge ??

Kiya tum wheshi jahil k bachay ki iss baat se ittefaq kertay ho jo uss ne itnay naam ahle bait mein shamil kiye ??

Agar kertay ho to ussay sabit karo.

MUFTI