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paroot
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Group: Members Joined: 23rd Nov, 2008 Topic: 66 Post: 1660 Age:
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| Posted on:26th Apr 2010, 6:46pm |
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 Kia Shirk Kay Fatway Jari Karna Sahi Hai?
Yaha k Mod members jo k amm knowledge rakhne waloo k shirk k fatwee jo bhoole bhaale musalmanoo per jaare karte hai unnhe edit karne ke bejai esse fatwe edit karee hai jene 1 gumrah firqa apna aleeme deen maanta hai aur uss ke peravee karte hai agar ese shaks ka fatwa jaree kya jai tu usse edit or delet kar deya jata hai aur chalte pherte loogo k fatwee delet nahi hotee.
WHY???
Ess se sabit hota hai k jo gumrah firqa hai wo apne akaaberen ke asal haqeeqat ko samne anee se rookta hai aur ess ka defent na karne ke wajah se bechara delet kar rehta hai...
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H/dr_Qasim
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Group: Members Joined: 10th Sep, 2010 Topic: 185 Post: 6560 Age:
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| Posted on:26th Apr 2010, 7:13pm |
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paroot
wo futwaa kahaa hy mujy bhe dikhao ? Quran-ayat number 146 Sorat-al Buqra(urdu)
Bhaa-huz logh Essay bhe Hen jo Allah kay Shureek Oroon ko Theh-Raaa kur on Say Essi Mohabat Rukhty hen Jassi Mohabut Allah say Honi Cahaai-yeh. Or Emaan Waly Allah ki Mohubut Meah Bohut Sukht hoty Hen.(Quran)
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paroot
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Group: Members Joined: 23rd Nov, 2008 Topic: 66 Post: 1660 Age:
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| Posted on:26th Apr 2010, 7:19pm |
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beshumaar
app ess forum ke non medical discussion ,religion n culture ke cata gory mein dekhe gee tu app ko kafi thread meele gee leken app current Hazir Nazir wale topic ko study kar lee k Myrizvi na jaga bajaga shirk ka fatwa lagaya hai... akheeer khar uss thread mein mojood kese ne ALLAH k karam se kafi dalail quran aur hadees k dee kar sabit kar deya k jese Myrizvi shirk samajhte hai wo shirk nahi aiine islam hai aur phir buzugaane deen k taleemat ko with reference k dheer laga deye jen ka jawab wo dee na sakee aur chup chap uss thread se chale gaye aur na sirf etna balkee jes akaaberen ko myrizvi apna rehbar maante hai un hee ke ketaboo se wazahat bhi kar dee k wo khud unn aqaid k hameel the jo Maslak-e-Ahlesunnat k hai aur myrizve ke nahi. !!! qurani dalail yaha per qurani
dalai dene ke bejai uss thread mein dee jaha per already dalail mojood
hai yeh
thread phir se laarne k leye nahi banai gee na he ap k aqeede ke
defination mangee hai ...
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H/dr_Qasim
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Group: Members Joined: 10th Sep, 2010 Topic: 185 Post: 6560 Age:
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| Posted on:26th Apr 2010, 7:26pm |
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paroot
ap keya ye ni sumajty indo pak meah abi bee esy russum o ruwaj or essy aqaayd mojood hen jo islami taleemaat ky monaafi hen, keya humko essi tumaam bato sy doooor dooor ni rehnaa cahiye jin say zuraa see bhe shirk or bidhaat ki booo ati ho, apko behtur puta hoga Shirk ketnaa sungeen Gonah kubeera hy. hum Ehl-a- sonnut hen lakin meah sumajtaa hon humary Muslik meah bot see batin hen jo aqeedut or Ehraam ki hudood ko paar kur kay shirk or bidaat ki hudood ko choo rhi hen,
re
Meah essy threads meah jataa he ni jo Firqaa waraana hoon ye tu kul bat
sy bat nikli tu meah bhe shamil ho ghiyaa, ap jetny topic start kurty ho
onka solution ni likal sukta or na hum onko forum py solve kur sukty
hen, lakin hum apna apny Aqaayd ka Tujziyaa zuroor kur sukty hen, ayaa
wo islami hen ya kay ni ,
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Diplomate
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Group: Members Joined: 18th Oct, 2009 Topic: 53 Post: 3436 Age:
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| Posted on:27th Apr 2010, 2:23am |
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indo pak meah abi bee esy russum o ruwaj or essy aqaayd mojood hen jo islami taleemaat ky monaafi hen,
main Dr.Qasim ki iss baat sy agree karta hooon |
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paroot
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Group: Members Joined: 23rd Nov, 2008 Topic: 66 Post: 1660 Age:
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| Posted on:29th Apr 2010, 4:57pm |
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Dr.Qasim Main nahi janta app ken aqaid ke baat kar rahe hai leken agar app non islamic aqaid ke baat kar rahe hai tu main ap k sath ho aur agar app Ahlesunnat ka aqaid ke baat kar rahe hai tu wahabi hazraat app k sath hai..
App jaha rehte hai waha zeyada tadad hai wahabi ke aur kharbooze ko dekh kar kharbooza rang pakarta hai...
main ne yeh thread aqaid ke behes k leye shuuru nahi kee lehaza ess k leye dosre thread create karee previous thread ke tarha ess ka topic diver na karee
yeh thread wahabio k leye banai gaye hai jo Qurani ayat aur hadeeso ka inkar kar k shirk shirk ka naara lagate hai
app ne khud ko Ahlesunnat kaha aur khud ko gumraah firqe se bhi mansaleek kar deya .
yeh dono 1 nahi ho sakte..
Mazeed kufur or shirk kya hai app kese kehte hai shirk aur quran usse kya kehta hai hadees usee kya kehte hai jese app shirk kehte hai yeh sab janne k leye quran aur hadees k with reference k sath dekhe ess thread ko...
forum.noorclinic.com/thread.php?topic=18981&start=40 |
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Seemi
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Group: Members Joined: 11th Sep, 2007 Topic: 14 Post: 3817 Age:
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| Posted on:29th Apr 2010, 8:41pm |
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Re: Kon hia jo shirk k fatway jari kar raha hai, agar koi aisa karta hai to woh ghalati per hai..
Jo shaksh ALLAH ki wahdaniyat ka qayil hai or dil se "La Ilaaha Illalah" per yaqeen rakhta hai, us ko koi shakhsh mushrik nahin keh sakta... Or Jo shaksh Pyaray NABI Mohammad Mustafa S.A.W per dil se emaan le ata hai, koi shaksh us ko Kafir nahin keh sakta...
Agar koi aisi harkatein karta hai to woh khod jahil hai. Deen ko itna mushkil na bana lein k deem khod aik mushkil ban jaye. |
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saim1
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Group: Members Joined: 23rd May, 2008 Topic: 44 Post: 2214 Age:
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| Posted on:29th Apr 2010, 9:27pm |
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paroot app bhi tu or logo ko gumrah khte haien
app kon hote haien dosron ko gumrah khne wale?
app ke pass 100% gurantee he ke wo log Allah ki nazar may gumrah haien?
or akhirat may app hi bakhshe jaien ge?
agar app ke pass iss bat ki 100% gurantee he tu bata dijiya may bhi app ke aqied se agree kar lon gi |
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paroot
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Group: Members Joined: 23rd Nov, 2008 Topic: 66 Post: 1660 Age:
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| Posted on:30th Apr 2010, 7:27pm |
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saim1 Main tu pesh kar deta ho quran aur hadees uss k saamne jes ne mujhe per aur tamam Ahlesuunat per shirk ka fatwaa deya...
ab uss qurani ayat aur hadees ko dekhne parhne sunne se phele shirk ka fatwa jaare karee aur dekhne sunne parhne k baad thread se bagh jai tu ess se sabit hota hai k wo shaks apne galate accept nahi karna chahta aur uss k pass khud ko define karne ka koi reason na raha q k uss k aqaid quran aur hadees se takraate hai.
ab jes k aqaid quran aur hadees se takraate ho aur wo ess ka jawab na de sake tu mazeed kya gunjaish reh jate hai k uss ko kya kahee.
agar main ne apne taraf se kuch kaha ho tu app mujhe se laree leken jes ka kalimaa parha hai usse k farman ko raad koi nahi kar sakta.. |
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saim1
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Group: Members Joined: 23rd May, 2008 Topic: 44 Post: 2214 Age:
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| Posted on:30th Apr 2010, 7:59pm |
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paroot bhai sahib app appne aqeede ko hi sahi mante haien
lakin app jo ayat or hadit pash karte haien appne aqeede ke mutabiq quran may uss aqeede se hat kar 70 or ayat mojood hongi jo app ki bat ko galat sabit karti haien
un ayat ke bare may app ka kiya khyal he?
iss liya mare khyal se iss bhes may kuch nahi rakha |
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Bewaqoof
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Group: Members Joined: 19th Sep, 2010 Topic: 263 Post: 4444 Age:
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| Posted on:1st May 2010, 6:22am |
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Quraani Ayat se inkar kerne wale re: "lakin app jo ayat or hadit pash karte haien appne aqeede ke mutabiq
quran may uss aqeede se hat kar 70 or ayat mojood hongi jo app ki bat ko
galat sabit karti haien"
aap ki baato se tu yahi mafhoom nikalta hai keh Quran Paak ki aayat ke mafhoom mai tazad hai. kahi per kuch likha hai tu kahi per kuch. koi ayat Paroot ke mizaj ke mutabiq hai tu koi Saim1 ke mutabiq.
yeh kis tarah mumkin hai keh Quran paak mai tazaad baatai likhi ho'n. agar kisi ayat se Paroot ki baat sahi sabit hoti hai tu phir Paroot sahi hua. ab aise moqa per Paroot ko ghalat kehne ka matlab tu yahi hai keh Paroot ki taraf se pesh ki gayee ayat se inkar kerna hua. yeh intehayee ghalat baat hai keh agar apni marzi ki ayat na huyee tu os se inkar ker dia jaaye.
re: "iss liya mare khyal se iss bhes may kuch nahi rakha"
bahas se rah-e-faraf ikhtiar kerna tha tu bahas kerni hi nahi chahiye thi. ab agar aap Quran Pak ko tasleem kerte hai tu phir sirf Paroot ki khati os ki ayat se inkar na kare aur bahas se farar na ho. agar aap musalman hai tu phir aap ko Quran ki ayat se inkar aur bahas se farar nahi hona chahiye.
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paroot
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Group: Members Joined: 23rd Nov, 2008 Topic: 66 Post: 1660 Age:
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| Posted on:1st May 2010, 6:59am |
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Mohtarmaaa jessa app ne kaha ess se app samajhte hai k quran mein ekhtelaaf hai 2 ayat mein ya jo hadees mein hai wo quran se takrata hai tu esaa bilkul nahi farq yeh hai k kuch loog apne soch se quran ke tashree kareenge tu phir essa he sochengee jesa hamare zehnoo mein waswase atee hai...
Main ne apne koi tafseer nahi ke jese app kahee k mere tafseer fala ayat se takraate hai ya falah hadees se takraate hai...
Farq yeh hai k hum ehkaam ko samaj nahi patee Main ne unn mohadeesen ke ke gaye tashree post ke hai jen ko sunni deobande sab maante hai koi uss k per fatwa jaare karna tu door ke baat hai soch bhi nahi saktaa.. !!!
ess ka moo bolta saboot app uss thread mein dekh sakte hai k jab tak hum boolte the tu hum per fatwee jaree hote gaye aur jab main ne hadeese aur unn ke kee gaye wazahat post ke buzugaane deen ke with reference tu kese deoband ne palat kar jawab na deya q k wo maante hai unn mohaddesen ko aur unn se jawab na baan para ess leye rply karne ke hemmat na kee. |
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saim1
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Group: Members Joined: 23rd May, 2008 Topic: 44 Post: 2214 Age:
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| Posted on:1st May 2010, 4:07pm |
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Bewaqoof
wo bewaqoof hi kiya jis ki samjh may koi bat a jai @paroot tu app ke khne ka maqsa he ke jo tafseer quran ki app ne parhi he wo sahi he or jo tafseer quran ki or log karte haien wo sirif un ka waswasa he? kiya bat he paroot app ki bhi bat jahan tak hadit ki he sab se phle tu yeh samjh laien ke quran aik mukamal kitab he,uss may koi kami nahi he or hadit ke bina bhi quran mukamal he lakin quran ko sahi samjhne ke liya hadit ki zarorat parti he jo ke authentic saying of Nabi pak(s.a.w.w)he ab jase namaz ka quran may kaha gaya he lakin uss ka tareeqa nahi he quran may,uss tareeqe ko dekhne ke liya hum hadit ko dekhte haien ab hum 4 imam ko follow karte haien un ke tareeqe se namaz bhi parhte haien lakin charon imamo ne kaha ke agar hamra koi bhi tareeqa quran ya hadit ke khilaf jata he tu usse dewar may de maro app se mera yeh sawal he ke app ne kitni research ki he ke jis tareeqe ko app follow karte haien wo quran and hadit se kitna shai sabit hota he? asal masla tu yeh hi he ke hum sirif ajj tak un baton ko hi follow karte haien jo hamre ma ,bap se hume mili haien appni aqal se kuch sochne ki zhmat nahi karte or bewaqoof bat bhes se farar hone ki nahi he jab koi app ki bat samjhne
ke liya tyyar hi na ho tu bhetar yeh hi he ke khamosh ho jaya
jai
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Bewaqoof
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Group: Members Joined: 19th Sep, 2010 Topic: 263 Post: 4444 Age:
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| Posted on:1st May 2010, 5:02pm |
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rah-e-farar re: "jab koi app ki bat samjhne ke liya tyyar hi na ho"
yahi tu mai keh raha hoo keh aap baat ko samjhne ki koshish kare aur yaha se rah-e-farar ikhtiar na kare.
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H/dr_Qasim
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Group: Members Joined: 10th Sep, 2010 Topic: 185 Post: 6560 Age:
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| Posted on:1st May 2010, 5:27pm |
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Bewakoof well done well don ,,,,,, Keya baat hay apki, Hur jughaa sub ko ap khoob Bewakoof bunaty hen, etna oljaaty hen etnaa oljhaaty hen etnaa oljaaty hen kay bunda thuk haar lay bath jata hy, bunda thuk jata ap ni thukty, meah nay sahi kaha taa ap bal ki khaal otarty hen
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saim1
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Group: Members Joined: 23rd May, 2008 Topic: 44 Post: 2214 Age:
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| Posted on:1st May 2010, 5:39pm |
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H/dr_Qasim app fikar na karien may bewaqoof ko achi trha samjhti hon
yeh jo bhi karte haien uss ke behind koi reason hota he
dil ke bure nahi haien
iss liya mujhe in ki batien bother nahi karti:) |
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H/dr_Qasim
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Group: Members Joined: 10th Sep, 2010 Topic: 185 Post: 6560 Age:
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| Posted on:1st May 2010, 5:51pm |
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saim
ya tu Bewakoof ka muksud thread ko guram kurna hota hy kay khooob Gurma Gurmi ho , hain tu bot achy ji ,hum nay yeh tu nahi kaha kay Enky thany meah Photo lugy hen lakin , wesy id bewakoof hy lakin jesy ap kehti ho enko Mr aqulmund mujy koch ziyada he aqul mund lugty hen, enki sooch jo hy wo kafi wuseeh hy jiski waja say aam bunda jis ki soch ka dayira kaar mehdood hota hy enki bato say alergtic hota hy, lakin ye khod kehty hen sub theek hy Every 1 is right on his place pher ye Manty bhe ni oljaaty hen, khayr lugy rhao,
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paroot
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Group: Members Joined: 23rd Nov, 2008 Topic: 66 Post: 1660 Age:
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| Posted on:2nd May 2010, 6:30pm |
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Shayad app he aqalmaand hai ess forum peerr Jes thread mein mushrik kaha gaya musalmanoo ko uss thread main aqale aur naqali (yani quran aur hadees) k dalail already deaa ja chuke hai agar app ne wo read keye hote tu mujh se esse baat har geez na kartee.
main ne kab kaha k dosree tafseere waswasee peeda karte hai ha jo galat tafseer lekhta hai wo waswasee ka shikaar hota hai tabhe tu galat lekhta hai...
Charoo imam ne yeh baat kaha lekhe hai k mera jo amal shariat se takraata ho usse dewaar p maroo.
App ko pata bhi hai k app ne kya kaha hai jen ke app baat kar rahe hai wo ketne baree imam hai aur unn ka koi amal esaa jo takrata ho aur essa amal loogo ko bhi karne ka hukum deya jo takrata ho aur phir yeh kehna k jo takrata ho usse dewaar p maroo yeh baat kaha se sunlee hai app ne.???? phele tehqeeq karee phir kuch farmayeen...
Main kese k peche nahi shariat k peche chalta ho... agar wo aqeede app ko bhi galat lagte hai tu kya app ke khateer choor deya jaii??? |
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saim1
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Group: Members Joined: 23rd May, 2008 Topic: 44 Post: 2214 Age:
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| Posted on:3rd May 2010, 3:55pm |
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paroot may jab bhi bat karti hon wo hi karti hon jis ka mujhe 100% sure hota he
warna may ziyada bhes may nahi parti
ab app yeh kah rahe haien ke charon imam 100% sahi haien or un ka har amal sahi he
tu charon imamon se jo namaz ka tareeqa sabit hota he wo alag ku he?
or app kis imam ke tareeqe se namaz ada karte haien?
or agar app kisi aik imam ke tareeqe se namaz ada karte or dosre imam ke tareeqe ko reject karte haien tu ku?
Imam malik ne kaha he ke agar mera koi bhi fatwa Allah or Rasool(s.a.w) ke khilaf jata he tu usse reject kar do
tahqeeq ki mujhe tu zaroorat hey hi ku may may koi alim fazil nahi hon magar app ko bhi achi khasi zarorat he tahqeeq karne ki
wase bhi may kuch bhi kah lon app ki samjh tu kuch ane wala he nahi |
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H/dr_Qasim
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Group: Members Joined: 10th Sep, 2010 Topic: 185 Post: 6560 Age:
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| Posted on:3rd May 2010, 4:13pm |
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sam1 , paroot agree with sam1
koi numaz hath band kay purta hay yaa hath khol kay ,,,,,,,,,, purny dayin, koi rufayadyin kurta hy koi ni kurtaa chor dayin ............ purny dayin koi hat oper bandtaa hy , nechy bandhtaa hy ,............. chor dayin purny dayin koi shulwaar tokhno say oper bandtaa hy koi nechy ,,,,,,,, bandhany dayin, chor dyin koi kali pughri bandhataa hy, koi white koi Huri ,,,, pehnny dayin chor dayin Koi 3 din ka sogh kurta hy koi 40 din ka kurta hy kurny dayin,............ chor dain koi onchi awaaz say zikur kurta hy koi ni kurta kurny dayin,,,,,,,,,,,, chor dayin essi turhaa ki wo tummam motanaazaa batin jo paai jati hen enko jesy chul rhai hen chulny dayin ku kay ye sub batin hen tu islam meah shamil lakin logo nay es meah Fitna payda kur deya hay or apna apna firqaa en choti choti bato pay QAYIM kur leya hay, Jetny bhe immaam ay keya ono nay Quran or Hudess say hut kay bat ki? or ye koi Hurf a akhur b ni hay apko pher bhe TEHKEEQ kurni chaiye, koi be amal quran or sonut kay monaafi hy yaa jo os period meah ni taah osy kurny say phely so baar sochin, on tummam aqaayd ko re study kurin ayaaa wo Intaahi aqeedut kay bhad os aqeedut ki chukul meah koi neyaa aqeeda tu wujood meah ni aghiya/ koi bhe jis firqa say ho osy apna firqaa meah mojood gult or fursooda taleemat jinka islam say koi relation in buch naa chaiye |
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