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sunehri76
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Group: Members Joined: 04th Aug, 2007 Topic: 100 Post: 4647 Age:
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| Posted on:14th Jun 2008, 10:36am |
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 Rafaz
mai bhi bilkul aisa hi sochti hun jaise ke apne kaha..humain sirf aur sirf Allah Talah se mangna chahye....aur Allah talah kehta hai ke mujhe ek bar bulaoge to mai 10 bar aunga....humain sirf Khuda pe yaqeen rakhna chahye.
Bewakoof
maby yahan koi aisa member ho jiske aqeede me ye jaiz ho.lekin phir bhi use haq hai ye batane ka ke unke aqeede me ye jaiz kyun hai..etc....isme koi burayi nahi hai agar hum mukhtalif aqeedon pe discuss karain..lekin insan ko inteha/shidad pasand nahi hona chahye..balke thande dil aur Dimagh ke sath unki bat bhi suni ja sakti hai....
mai gharoor nahi kar rahi lekin mai shuru se hi mukhtalif mulakon aur mukhtalif mazhab ke logon me palli hun,aur maine yehi sikha hai ke kisi mazhab pe bhi araam se bat ki ja sakti hai na ke use galiyan di jayen..aur bura bhalla kaha jaye,lekin humare Pakistani bohat shiddad pasand hote hain...aur maine ye bhi sikha hai ke har ek mazhab ko exept kiya jaye..wo jaise hain jaisa karte hain ye unka Haq hai kyunke wo apne mazhab ke hisab se bilkul thik keh rahe hain.lekin agar mai unki kisi bat pe disagree bhi karun to ye narazgi ya ladayi ka pehlui nikala jaye..
maine yahan tak dekha hia Pakistan me rehne wale logon me,ke ahar unhe kisi ke dusre maslik se taluk ka ilam hota hai to wo sare rishte/dostiyan todne ko tayar ho jate hain aur ye nahi sochte ke sab se pehle Insaniyat ka rishta hai.... |
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Bewaqoof
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Group: Members Joined: 19th Sep, 2010 Topic: 263 Post: 4444 Age:
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| Posted on:14th Jun 2008, 11:11pm |
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ham log doosre ke mazhab ke baare mai kuch nahi jaante mera khial hai keh tehseen sahib ne jab dekha keh koi qabar ko choom raha hai tu onhai chahiye tha keh woh osi se poochte ke bhai tum aisa kio ker rahe ho, phir woh jo jawab deta woh yaha post ker dete tu hamai bhi pata chal jaata keh woh kio choomte hai.
ab yaha per ham kuch bhi kahe os ki value os waqt tak kuch nahi hai jab tak keh qabar choomne wala koi member yaha reply ker ke bataye keh woh kio choomta hai.
agar kisi forum per beshumar non-muslim iss baat per behas kare keh musalman 5 time nimaz kio parhte hai, tu zahir hai keh woh tamam log 5 time nimaz ko ghalat hi saabit kerne ki koshish kae ge, lekin on ke discussion ka os waqt tak koi faida nahi hoga jab tak keh os forum per koi muslim aa ker logically bataye keh woh 5 times nimaz kio parhte hai.
kisi aadmi ya mazhab ki peeth peeche burayee kerna gheebat kehlata hai, behtar tu yahi hota keh Tehseen sahib qabar choomne wale se direct pooch lete keh bhai tum log qabar kio choomte ho? onho ne aisa nahi kia aur yaha qabar na choomne walo se comments lena shuru ker dia. zahir hai jo log qabar choomne ke mukhalif hai woh sahi se nahi bata sakte keh woh log qabar kio choomte hai.
mai sunni hoo, mujhe nahi maloom keh shia hazraat maatam kio kerte hai, mere sunni dost, rishtadar sab hi kehte hai keh maatam kerna ghalat hai, lekin ham mai se koi bhi shia se nahi poochta keh bhai tum maatam kio kerte ho. agar ham log kisi shia se pooche tu woh maatam kerne ki koi na koi solid daleel zaroor de ge. isi tarah aapas mai discuss kerne ki bajaye kisi qabar choomne wale se pooche tu woh log bhi koi na koi solid daleel zaroor de ge.
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saim1
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Group: Members Joined: 23rd May, 2008 Topic: 44 Post: 2214 Age:
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| Posted on:14th Jun 2008, 11:13pm |
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sunehri i totally agree with u bhoot sey log mazhab key nam par jazbati ho jatey haien or kisi or ki bat nahi suntey ,magar humey har kisi ki bat sunni cheay shyad wo theak kah raha ho or study karna chea key us ki bat kis had tak sahi hey or wasey bhi islam may bhi mana hey key app kisi or key mazhab ko bura na kahein |
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Bewaqoof
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Group: Members Joined: 19th Sep, 2010 Topic: 263 Post: 4444 Age:
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| Posted on:14th Jun 2008, 11:21pm |
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saim arif: sirf apne mazhab ki study kare re: "study karna chea key us ki bat kis had tak sahi hey"
mai tu kehta hoo keh study bhi nahi kerni chahiye, kisi bhi mazhab ki study se qabal apne mazhab ki study kare. aur agar aap apne mazhab ki mukammal study kare ge tu etna time hi nahi bache ga keh doosre mazhab ki study ker sake.
waise bhi aap kis kis mazhab aur kis kis maslak ki study kare ge. duniya mai hazaro mazhab aur maslak hai.
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rafaz
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Group: Members Joined: 14th Mar, 2007 Topic: 20 Post: 939 Age:
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| Posted on:14th Jun 2008, 3:00pm |
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DOOSRON KA MEZHEB We r discuss here for our religion that is ISLAM not any other religion. Hum ko yee zaroor maloom hona chayee k islam may kya cheez halal ha aur kon si haram ,biidatoon say bechna chyee , shirk say bechna chayee,
To hum yehan per apney mezheb ISLAM k barey may maloomat leey raheen jo k saeeh ha , Hum logon ko apney galat aqeedoon ko saeeh kerna chayee yee waqt ki buth bari zarooret ha is tara hum logon ko saeeh rah per la saktey heen |
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Tehseen
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Group: Members Joined: 20th Feb, 2007 Topic: 53 Post: 386 Age:
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| Posted on:15th Jun 2008, 4:55am |
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Kabaron Ko Sajda/chumna salam
aap aus k jawabat read karyey . mery khiyaal sey mein ney kisi k aakedey ko tankeed ka nishana nhi banayaaa jesy k Bewaqoof ney kaha mein ney to ik simple sa sawal kia aur aus ko Bewaqoof aap ney itna lamba kar diaa theak hey apna apna akeda hoa hey sub ka per is ka yey matalb nhi k yahan per fitna fasaaad karney k liyey asa sawal kiya geyaa ager aap ka akeda aur hey to mujey aus pe koei ataraz nhi hey , bat yey hy k jo jesa karta hey karyy , aur jis ko jis k jawab sey aus k sawal ka jawab mil jata hey to aur kai chaiyey .. mein ney kisi maslak ki bat hi nhi kiii
(Kabron par sajda karna sahi nahi hai....Allah talah ke ilwah kisi ko sajda jaiz nahi hai....) ---- ager chumna b hey to hath laga kar chuma jaie???
ab mujey yey bataie aap sub log k ik bar ik bhai ney wakeya sunaya k ik banda bohat bimar tha aur wo kisi Buzurg ki Mizaar pe geyaa abhi wo duwa karat tha k ik sahib ney aus sey swal kai phir bat shuro huwii aur aney ka masaad batayaa aur jo sahib wahan they unho ney kaha k ager aap apni bimari sey sehaat yaab hona chaytey hen to yaahn ki jo miti pari hey aus ko kha leeeeen ???????????????????????????????????????????????
to ap seyhat yab ho jaie gey??? Kia asa mumkin ho skta hey
jab insaan kisi naik insaan ki Qaber per jaie to is tarhan duwa kary k
A ALLAH K NAIK BANDAY MEIN MEIN DUWA KARTA HON K ALLAH MERI FALAAN KAAM KAR DEY AAP ALLAH K NAIK BANDEY HEN AUR MERI IS DAWA JO MEIN ALLAH SEY KARA HON AUS KO ALLAH KABOOL FARMAIE AUR AAP B MERY HAAK MEIN DUWA KARY K ALLAH MERI IS DUWA K KABOOL FARMIAYE , KION K AAP KA LINK ALLAH SAY BOHAT KAREEB KA HEY AUR ALLAH NIAK LOGON KI DUWA KABOL FARMATA HEY AGER YEY CHEEZ MERY HAAK MEIN BEYTAR HEY TO ALLAH MERI IS DUWA KO KABOL KARY LEY AAMEEEN
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sunehri76
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Group: Members Joined: 04th Aug, 2007 Topic: 100 Post: 4647 Age:
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| Posted on:15th Jun 2008, 7:50pm |
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Tehzin mai apka last sentens nahi samjhi...mai kisi bhi maslik ki bat nahi karti,bas apne bare keh sakti hun,ke ise mai jaiz nahi samajhti..kyunke humain sirf aur sirf Allah Talah se mangna chahye,koi Murda humari sifarish nahi kar sakta aur na hi humare Haq me dua kar sakta hai,...aur har insan ka link Allah talah se direct hona chahye..,Qabron pe sirf unki Maghfirat ki dua ki jati hai...lekin ye sochna ke ye murda ALLAH TALAH ke zyada kareeb hai aur ap (zinda insan) kam..to ye ghalat hai,
ho sakta hai ye kisi aur maslik me jaiz ho...i cant say anything about it |
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Maryam
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Group: Members Joined: 17th May, 2008 Topic: 27 Post: 4679 Age:
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| Posted on:16th Jun 2008, 3:08am |
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 I,M AGREE WID SUNEHRI G
mai sunehri g se agree karti hoon hamari Shifaat AAP(SA) k ilawa koi or NABI bhi nahi karsakta . roze mehshar qabar parasti karne wale jab in bazurgon se kahen ge k hum to aap se itni aqeedat rakhte the or aap ki qabron par charhawe charhate the aap hamari shifaat karen to wo bazurg kahen ge k hum ne tum se kaha tha ye sab karne ko .PEERE KAMIL sirf AAP(SA) ki zaat hai or un ki hadith to khud tehseen ne bayan kardi hai. |
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Tehseen
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Group: Members Joined: 20th Feb, 2007 Topic: 53 Post: 386 Age:
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| Posted on:16th Jun 2008, 3:27am |
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sunehri76.Maryam salam
sunehri76 aap ko jab mera last senten samj mein nhi aaaya to aus ko samjney ki koshish karyy kion k mein ney yey nhi kaha k kabron pe ja kar aus sey fariyaad kary yey to shirak ho geya phir mang to mein ALLAH sey hi raha hon bas inta keyra hon k wo mery haaq mein b duwa karyn k ALLAH meri is duwa ko kabool kary yey sub matlab hey mery words ka
Maryam
( aap hamari shifaat karen to wo bazurg kahen ge k hum ne tum se kaha tha ye sab karne ko )
aap ka yey word shirak mein ajata hey shifaat to ALLAH ki zat kar skatii hey , hum to bas aun sey yey keyra hey hen k aap b humary haak mein duwa kary k jo hum jaiz duwa kara hey hen ALLAH bus aus ko kabool kary kion k naik logon ki ki huwi duwa ko ALLAH PAK rad nhi kartey |
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Maryam
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Group: Members Joined: 17th May, 2008 Topic: 27 Post: 4679 Age:
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| Posted on:16th Jun 2008, 3:32am |
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Tehseen aap mujhe ye batao jo is duniya se chala gaya wo bechare to patta nahi khud kis haal mai hain un se banda apni duaen kiya karwae. or mai ne koi apne paas se ye nahi kaha balke roze hashar aisa hi hoga . barri imam wale beshak bare bazurg hon ge lekin hamen kiya patta jahan maqbra hai wahan andar bhi koi hai k khali maqbra hi hai |
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Seemi
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Group: Members Joined: 11th Sep, 2007 Topic: 14 Post: 3817 Age:
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| Posted on:16th Jun 2008, 3:53am |
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Maryam baji مریم باجی! بزرگوں کے بارے میں ہمیں احترام اور عزت سے بات کرنی چاہیے۔ قبروں کو سجدے کرنا انتہائی جاہلانہ فعل ہے، لیکن بزرگانِ دین کی اپنی اہمیت ہے۔ ہم دعا اس طرح نہیں مانگ سکتے کہ یہ بزرگ ہماری شفاعت کر دیں کیونکہ یہ صرف اللہ کا کام ہے، کسی انسان کا نہیں، لیکن ہم دعا کر سکتے ہیں کہ اے اللہ اپنے اس نیک اور پیارے بندے کے صدقے ہماری دعائیں قبول فرما۔ اللہ میاں اپنے پیارے بندوں کے واسطے ہماری دعائیں قبول فرماتا ہے۔ اور جب آپ کسی بزرگ کو وسیلہ بنا کر دعا مانگتے ہیں تو اتنا تو یقین ہونا چاہیے کہ وہ بزرگ وہاں موجود ہیں، خالی مزار نہیں ہے۔ |
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Maryam
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Group: Members Joined: 17th May, 2008 Topic: 27 Post: 4679 Age:
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| Posted on:16th Jun 2008, 4:00am |
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seemi g mai sab bazurgon ka boht ehtram karti hoon lekin mai aise boht si jaghon ko janti hon jahan kuch bhi nahi logon ne apne faide k liye jhande lagae hue hain . mera khayal hai k in jaghon par aik bhi kaam aisa nahi hota jo ALLAH ke hukam k mutabik ho ya jis ka in bazurgon ne sari zindagi dars diya . ghar mai banda maan ko galiyan de or mizaron par jakar mudon ko waseela banae mai to isse sahi nahi samajhti. |
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ch Babar
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Group: Members Joined: 15th Jul, 2007 Topic: 32 Post: 1873 Age:
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| Posted on:16th Jun 2008, 4:12am |
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Seemi Pakistan main aqeedat ke naam pe logon ko bohat bewaqoof banaya jata hae aor log "qabar Parasti" ko bhi islam samjhte hain aor jahil peer aor jahil molvi logon ki is sadgi ka faida uthate hain, Maryam ne bilkul sahi kaha ke kai jaga pe to aise he qabr ka nishan bana ke log mujawar ban ke baithe howe hain aor chars peene wale log peer ban ke baithe howe hain,JO Allah ke naik banday guzre hain jo haqeeqi wali Allah hain un ka aisi cheezon se door ka bhi wasta nahi tha, hajit rawa, mushkil kusha, olad dene wala, rizq dene wala sirf sirf Allah hae .logon ka emaan kamzor hae aor ye jahil log emaan kio is kamzori se faida utha ke apni tajoryan bhar rahe hain.in peeron ka kirdar itna sharmnak hae ke in ko insan kehna insaniyat ki tazleel hae. |
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Maryam
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Group: Members Joined: 17th May, 2008 Topic: 27 Post: 4679 Age:
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| Posted on:16th Jun 2008, 4:15am |
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Babar bhai i,m agree wid u 100% warna tehseen to mujhekeh raha tha k aap shirk kar rahi hain:) |
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ch Babar
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Group: Members Joined: 15th Jul, 2007 Topic: 32 Post: 1873 Age:
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| Posted on:16th Jun 2008, 4:19am |
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Kyun woh kyun aisa keh raha tha ?? us ke nazdeek shirk ki kya defination hae???main kisi se behes nahi karna chahta laikin ye baat sab jante hain ke Pakistan main mazaroon pe kya kuch ho raha hae. khawateen ki ismatdari, logon ka najaiz paisa khna, shirk, bida'at, drugs, nach, bhangrra, kya ey shariyat hae???? |
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Seemi
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Group: Members Joined: 11th Sep, 2007 Topic: 14 Post: 3817 Age:
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| Posted on:16th Jun 2008, 4:22am |
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Babar bhai آپ کی بات بالکل درست ہے۔۔ میں بھی یہ سب جانتی ہوں کہ ایسا اکثر ہوتا ہے کہ کسی کا گدھا مر گیا اور اس نے کہیں ویرانے میں جا کر اس کو دفنا دیا اور وہاں اس کی قبر کا مجاور بن کے بیٹھ گیا اور آج وہاں ان جگہوں پر مزار بنے ہوئے ہیں اور میلے لگتے ہیں۔
لیکن بزرگوں کی جو اہمیت ان کی زندگی میں ہے، وہ ان کے انتقال کے بعد ختم نہیں ہو جاتی۔ حاجت روا صرف اللہ تعالی ہے لیکن اللہ اپنے نیک اور پیارے بندوں کے وسیلے سے کی گئی دعا کو ضرور قبول فرماتا ہے۔ لیکن اس سلسلے میں حقیقی ولی اللہ ہونا شرط ہے۔ |
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Maryam
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Group: Members Joined: 17th May, 2008 Topic: 27 Post: 4679 Age:
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| Posted on:16th Jun 2008, 4:23am |
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Babar bhai kiyon k mai ne ye kaha tha k roze hashar ye hamari shifaat ki sifarish nahi karen ge:) |
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ch Babar
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Group: Members Joined: 15th Jul, 2007 Topic: 32 Post: 1873 Age:
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| Posted on:16th Jun 2008, 4:27am |
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Seemi aap jo keh rahi hae is pe behes ki koi gunjaish he nahi hae. main agree karta hoon. |
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josh
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Group: Members Joined: 30th Jul, 2007 Topic: 47 Post: 2285 Age:
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| Posted on:16th Jun 2008, 5:33am |
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kabaro ko sajda karna ghalat hai. Tehseen muje to lagta hai tum khud mazaron par jatay ho aur mazar par ja kar buzurg (jo wafaaat pa chukay hain), unsay kehtay ho k Allah say meri sifarish kar dain aur mera flaana kaam ho jaey aur wo kaam ho jaey...
In my opinion ye sab ghalat hai, mazaar par ja kar unki maghfirat ki dua karni chaiye, har insan ko dua ki zaroorat hai, chahay wo kitna hi naik kyon na ho...
kabro ko chumna to shaed Gunah ki bat na ho, kyonkay ye mohabbat/akeedat ki nishani hai,, lekin sajda karna shirk hai aur yakeenan iska Gunah bhi hoga us banday ko jo peer sahib ko sajday kar raha hai ta k peer sahib uskay rukay huey kaam kar dain. |
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zeb
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Group: Members Joined: 18th Aug, 2007 Topic: 114 Post: 13607 Age:
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| Posted on:16th Jun 2008, 6:11am |
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yes im agreed to josh
he is 101% right |
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