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Court Marriage: Kia Yeh Nikah Jaiz Hai?

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afrazawan Group: Members  Joined: 27th Oct, 2008  Topic: 24  Post: 103  Age:  28  
Posted on:20th Nov 2008, 6:35pm
 

Court Marriage: Kia Yeh Nikah Jaiz Hai?

slam bahi and behno aik problem masla share krna chahta hon plz is k bary main help kerain agr aik larka laerki court main nika kr dyty hain phr un k perents ni agree hoty magr larky k parents ko ya pata b hy nika ka but larke waly ni agree hoty some time larka or lerki apis main fight b ho jate hy is waja sy razi or na razi agree hony ki waja sy larka bht dafa talaq ka words keh b dyta hy magr ziada wo sms main likh dyta hy k talaq magr ya ni kehta k mere tarf sy talaq hy bus ya words use jata hy sub sy pehly ya batain kia ya nika jaiz hy ya agr nika jaiz he ni tu phr talaq kehny sy koi masla ni plz help me kia is k oper nika ho sakta hy parents sy consult k baad plz help me bye
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Posted on:20th Nov 2008, 10:10pm
 

Afrazawan

Please read previous post on this topic:Divorce:What is The Right Way To Give?





myrizvi Group: Members  Joined: 20th Apr, 2008  Topic: 111  Post: 6481  Age:  54  
Posted on:21st Nov 2008, 4:05am
 

court marriage

islamic point of view say court-marriage k zariyah kia gaya nikaah hojata hai yaani it's valid k iss nikaah maiN dounouN fareeq aik doosray ko 2 witness ki gawahi maiN qabool kar letay haiN... lehaza nikaah to hogayaa....

agar shauhar zobaani, likh kar, e.mail k zariyeh, SMS k zariyeh recorded voice k mail k zariyeh biwi ko talaq detaa hai to talaaq valid hojati hai.... khaah talaaq denay ka tareeqah quraan o sunnat k baytaye howay tareeqay k motaabiq nah bhi ho tab bhi... talaaq k liyeh (ahlay sunnat k haN) nah to gawaah ki zaroorat hai nah biwi tak talaaq ki khabar pahonchnaa zaroori hai... shauher nay talaaq day dee aur woh iskaa iqraar karay to talaq is valid...

jahaaN tak quran o sunnat k against di janay wali talaq ki 'validity' ka talluq hai to iski misaal foqahaa nay youN di hai k kissi fard ko 'qatal' karnay ka quraan o sunnat maiN 'tareeqah' maujood hai jaisay  qaatil ko qasaas maiN, shadi shudah zaani / zaania ko rajam ki soorat maiN, qatal ki niyyat say hamlah aawer ko self defence maiN yaa maidanay jang maiN moqaabil ko (etc etc) hi qatal kia jasakta hai... in sab tareeqouN k elawah qatal karnay k deger tamaam tareeqay quran o sunnat k bataye howay tareeqouN k 'against' hi houngay.... lekin wazah rahay k phir bhi "qatal ka amal" waqoo pazeer hojayegaa. yeh nahi hoga k agar koi quran o sunnat k khilaaf kissi ko qatal karay to bandah qatal hi nahi hogaa.... talaq ka maamlah bhi kuch aisaa hi hai... yeh aur baat hai k quran o sunnat k khilaaf talaaq denay walaa Allah k nazdeeq gonaah.gaar hogaa, jawaabdah hogaa, sazaa waar hogaa... magar talaq valid hogi....

wallaho alam bissawaab

 

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Posted on:21st Nov 2008, 4:13am
 

talaaq ka islami tareeqah

DIVORCE IN ISLAM

Marriage and divorce are two basics of our family system. Beginning of a new family starts when two male and females decide living together after a formal marriage contract. In Islam, marriage can not become a valid legal contract till both male and female freely agrees on it. Willing of the bachelor female's wali (her father or other legal patron) is another requirement for the assistance of the female as she alone could not select the right life partner for her. However, it is no more required if she is re-marrying after the divorce or the death of her husband. Marriage of a minor or underage girl can be done by her wali's wish alone. Quran allows such marriage of minor girls in surat talq-4. According to Islamic scholars, such minor girl have the right to cancel her marriage as when she becomes adult if she is not yet handed over to her husband.

After marriage both male and female life partners have almost equal opportunities to get divorce if they don't want to live together. However it should be noted that as per our beloved prophet (peace be upon him):
Allah did not make anything lawful more abominable to Him than Divorce. Of all the lawful acts the most detestable to Allah is Divorce.
(Sunan Abu dawud: Book #12, Hadith #2172-2173)

Renowned Islamic scholar Dr Zakir Naik says that there are five way to get divorce in Islam.


Dr. Zakir Naik:A woman cannot give 'Talaq' - because Talaq' is a Arabic word used for divorce, when a man gives to a woman - husband gives to a wife - but a woman can divorce.

There are 5 types of divorce, in Islam


1. The first type is by unilateral… by unilateral agreement, between the husband and wife - Both may say… 'Okay, we are not compatible… let us part'.

2.The second type, is by the unilateral will of the husband, that is called a 'Talaq', in which, he has to forgo his 'Meher'. If he has not paid it, he has to pay it to her… and including the gifts, he has given to her.

3.Third type, is by the unilateral will of the wife - I repeat, by the unilateral will of the wife… if she mentions it in her marriage contract. If she mentions it in her Nikah-Nama… in her marriage contract, that she has the right to give unilateral divorce, she can give it - It is call as 'Isma'. I have never heard of anyone speaking of an 'Isma' - It is called as 'Isma' - Even a woman can give divorce, 'Isma'.

4. Fourthd category is, if the husband ill-treats her, or not give her equal rights, she has the right to go to a Kazi, and nullify the marriage - It is called as 'Nikah-e-Fask'. In this, according to the Kazi, he may ask the husband to give the full 'Meher', or part of the 'Meher', depending upon the Kazi.

5.And the last is 'Kulah'- that even though the husband may be a very good husband, the wife has got no complaints against the husband, but for personal reasons, she does not like the husband - she can request the husband, to divorce her - and that is called as 'Kulah'.

But very few people talk about women giving divorce, to the men. Some of the Ulemas have categorized these 5 types of divorce, into 2 or 3 different categories, but broadly there are 5 types of divorce, in Islam. Hope that answers the question.


Here are some Quran verses dealing with divorce affairs.

And divorced women shall wait (as regards their marriage) for three menstrual periods, and it is not lawful for them to conceal what Allah has created in their wombs, if they believe in Allah and the Last Day. And their husbands have the better right to take them back in that period, if they wish for reconciliation. And they (women) have rights (over their husbands as regards living expenses) similar (to those of their husbands) over them (as regards obedience and respect) to what is reasonable, but men have a degree (of responsibility) over them. And Allah is All-Mighty, All-Wise. (Al-Baqara-228)

The divorce is twice, after that, either you retain her on reasonable terms or release her with kindness. And it is not lawful for you (men) to take back (from your wives) any of your Mahr (bridal - money given by the husband to his wife at the time of marriage) which you have given them, except when both parties fear that they would be unable to keep the limits ordained by Allah (e.g. to deal with each other on a fair basis). Then if you fear that they would not be able to keep the limits ordained by Allah, then there is no sin on either of them if she gives back (the Mahr or a part of it) for her Al-Khul' (divorce). These are the limits ordained by Allah, so do not transgress them. And whoever transgresses the limits ordained by Allah, and then such are the Zâliműn (wrong-doers). (Al-Baqara-229)

And if he has divorced her (the third time), then she is not lawful unto him thereafter until she has married another husband. Then, if the other husband divorces her, it is no sin on both of them that they reunite, provided they feel that they can keep the limits ordained by Allah. These are the limits of Allâh, which He makes plain for the people who have knowledge. (Al-Baqara- 230)

And those of you who die and leave wives behind them, they (the wives) shall wait (as regards their marriage) for four months and ten days, then when they have fulfilled their term, there is no sin on you if they (the wives) dispose of themselves in a just and honorable manner (i.e. they can marry). And Allah is Well-Acquainted with what you do (Al-Baqara-234)

O you who believe! When you marry believing women, and then divorce them before you have sexual intercourse with them, no iddah (divorce prescribed period) have you to count in respect of them. So give them a present, and set them free (i.e. divorce), in a handsome manner. (Al-Ahzab-49)

On the basis of above verses, Islamic scholars have compiled following valid points.
1. Husband can give maximum three divorces to his wife.
2. After one or two divorces, he has right to take back his divorcee within iddah period and after iddah period he can re-marry with her.
3. If three divorces have been given, husband has no right to take back his divorcee.
4. After three divorces, husband can not re-marry with her divorcee till she marries with another person and get divorce from that person. This is called halalah in Islamic shariyat.
5. Iddah of a divorcee woman is three menstrual periods. Only after this period, she can marry to any one else.
6. No iddah period is required if woman is divorced before sexual intercourse.
7. Iddah of a widow woman is four lunar months and ten days.
8. Iddah of a pregnant widow or divorce woman is the period till she delivered the child.


Let's recite some more verses given in soorah talaq.

O Prophet (SAW)! When you divorce women, divorce them at their 'Iddah (prescribed periods), and count (accurately) their 'Iddah (periods). And fear Allâh your Lord (O Muslims), and turn them not out of their (husband's) homes, nor shall they (themselves) leave, except in case they are guilty of some open illegal sexual intercourse. And those are the set limits of Allâh. And whosoever transgresses the set limits of Allâh, and then indeed he has wronged himself. You (the one who divorces his wife) know not, it may be that Allâh will afterward bring some new thing to pass (i.e. to return her back to you if that was the first or second divorce). (talaq-1)

Then when they are about to attain their term appointed, either take them back in a good manner or part with them in a good manner. And take as witness two just persons from among you (Muslims). And establish the testimony for Allâh. That will be an admonition given to him who believes in Allâh and the Last Day. And whosoever fears Allâh and keeps his duty to Him, He will make a way for him to get out (from every difficulty). (2) And He will provide him from (sources) he never could imagine. And whosoever puts his trust in Allâh, then He will suffice him. Verily, Allâh will accomplish his purpose. Indeed Allâh has set a measure for all things. (3)

And those of your women as have passed the age of monthly courses, for them the 'Iddah (prescribed periods), if you have doubt (about their period), is three months, and for those who have no courses (i.e. they are still immature) their 'Iddah (prescribed period) is three months likewise, except in case of death . And for those who are pregnant (whether they are divorced or their husbands are dead), their 'Iddah (prescribed period) is until they laydown their burden, and whosoever fears Allâh and keeps his duty to Him, He will make his matter easy for him. (Talaq-4) That is the Command of Allâh, which He has sent down to you, and whosoever fears Allâh and keeps his duty to Him, He will expiate from him his sins, and will enlarge his reward. (Talaq-5)

Lodge them (the divorced women) where you dwell, according to your means, and do not harm them so as to straiten them (that they be obliged to leave your house). And if they are pregnant, then spend on them till they lay down their burden. Then if they give suck to the children for you, give them their due payment, and let each of you accept the advice of the other in a just way. But if you make difficulties for one another, then some other woman may give suck for him (the father of the child). (6) Let the rich man spend according to his means, and the man whose resources are restricted, let him spend according to what Allâh has given him. Allâh puts no burden on any person beyond what He has given him. Allâh will grant after hardship, ease. (Talaq-7)

In above verses following instructions have been given to men and women on divorce affairs.

1. Do not divorce a woman during her menstrual periods. Divorce should only be given in her that neat and clean period in which sexual intercourse is not done. Woman can be divorced if she is pregnant. It should be noted that divorce will be still valid if it is granted against these quranic instructions. However they will be considered as sinful.
2. After having divorce, woman should stay to her husband's home till the end of iddah i.e. three menstrual periods. She should not leave her husband's home nor should her husband force her to leave home.
3. While divorcing a woman, man should witnessed two persons. Please note that witnessing is better for both parties. Otherwise divorce will be legally valid without witness too.
4. Iddah period of old women is three lunar months if she is no more menstruating.
5. Iddah period of a minor or underage girl is also three lunar months if she has not yet started menstruating. Quran here not only allows marrying with such minor girl but also allows sexual intercourse with underage wife. Because there is no iddah period of untouched divorced wife as mentioned surah Al-Ahzab-49.
6. During iddah period, husband is responsible to bear expenses of his divorced wife.
7. If divorced wife is pregnant, the man is responsible to bear all her expense till delivery and expense of his child after birth as well.


(The End)

doctorpk Group: Members  Joined: 19th Sep, 2010  Topic: 25  Post: 593  Age:  41  
Posted on:21st Nov 2008, 3:23pm
 

Topic No 11276 By afrazaman (Deleted)

NIKA PROB. II

Bahi agr nika howa hy court main phr wo nika show ni kr sakta admee kia again nika ho jata hy pehla wala vilad hy ya 2nd wala ho ga and agr kise ny us ka irada ni talaq dyny ka aisyy he us ny keh dia baat neat ki hy wo us she sy bht pyar krta hy magr us ko choor ni sakta na he she agree hy chorny pr magr un k apis between main some time kuch oonch neech ho jate hy magr lets agr she ya ya keh dy mujy talaq do larka ya keh dy mere taraf sy azad ho ya ni kehta k theek hy talaq hy kia agr aik dafa munha sy keh dia jay talaq hote hy ya ni 3 time dil sy irada sy kehna must hy,bahi main Dubai main hon Kuch mery sath problem hy is leay plz mujy correct way sy guide kerain main ny daily visat krta hon site ka bht achee site hy thanks now plz tel me what can i do next??????

doctorpk: please don't start new thread on same topic again and again
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Posted on:21st Nov 2008, 5:09pm
 

Nikha

Nikha toh jayeez hay lakin Deen-e-islam main ishay acha amal nahin samjha jata,
myrizvi Group: Members  Joined: 20th Apr, 2008  Topic: 111  Post: 6481  Age:  54  
Posted on:21st Nov 2008, 10:12pm
 

talaq

Q: larka ya keh dy mere taraf sy azad ho ya ni kehta k theek hy talaq hy kia agr aik dafa munha sy keh dia jay talaq hote hy

Ans: Talaq aik dafah mouNh say kah denay say (jaisay ooper likha gayaa hai)...ahlay sunnat k nazdeeq talaaq ho jati hai .... lekin agar husband chaahay to within iddat period (i.e. 3 menses cycle) apbi biwi say 'rajoo' kar sakta hai. yaani zobaan say kah kar yaa amal (intercourse) k zariyeh 'dobarah ossay biwi banaa sakta hai' ... aur agar iddat period k ander 'rajoo' nahi kia to after iddat dobarah nikaah kar sakta hai ossi say.... wazah ho k iddat period k ander ander 'rajoo' karnay k liyeh new nikaah ki zaroorat nahi hoti .... aik talaq k baad shauhar nay rajoo kiaa yaa baad iddat dobarah nikaah kia.... dounouN soortouN maiN oska "aik talaq ka right' khatam hogayaa. ab oskay pass sirf do talaaq kaa right baqi rah jata hai...

Q: ya ni 3 time dil sy irada sy kehna must hy

Ans: 1) talaq k liyeh dil say iradah karnaa /niyyat karnaa zaroori nahi 2) talaq k liyeh kissi gawaah ka hona bhi zaroori nahi 3) talaaq k liyeh yeh bhi zaroori nahi shauhar ki janib say dee gayee talaaq ki "khabar" biwi tak laazmi pahonchay.... biwi ko agar khabaar nah bhi ho aur shauhar nay ghaaibaanaah bhi ossay zobaani talaaq day dee to valid hogi.

shauhar k pass teen talaaq k 'rights' hotay haiN. agar 'aik talaaq' detaa hai to iddat period (3 menses periods / 3 months) k ander dobarah nikaah kiyeh beghair ossay phir say apni biwi 'banaa' sakta hai... aur iddat period k baad new nikaah karkay bhi ossay dobara biwi banaa sakta hai.... aisaa hi woh doosri talaaq day kar bhi kar sakta hai.... lekin teesri talaaq denay k baad phir woh aisaa nahi kar saktaa... yeh teenouN talaaqaiN khaah woh aik saath day yaa baari baari... ruling same hogi.

ap k case maiN 1 zobani talaaq say talaaq ho chuki hai... aurat iddat period k baad azaad hogi k kissi aur say ... yaa apnay sabiqah shauhar say hi nikaah karnay main azaad hogi..... lekin agar iddat period abhi nahi guzraa to shauhar beghair nikaah k bhi ossay dobarah apnay ghar basaa sakta hai.

agar nikaah k baad dounouN khalwat / tanhaa aik chat k neechay nah rahay houN ... intercourse /sex relation qaaim nah howay houN ....  yaani nikaah k baad rukhsati /milan say qabal hi talaaq hogayee ho to ... iss soorat maiN mutliqah ko koi iddat period nahi guzaarna paRegaa. woh talaq k fauran baad doosri shadi karsakti hai...

wallah o alam bissawab... omeed hai k aap ko apnay probs /uljhan ka jawaab mil gaya hogaa... lagta hai k aap nay above article (divorce in islam) ghaur say nahi read kia... osay paRhaiN insha Allah sab kuch pata chal jayegaa)

afrazawan Group: Members  Joined: 27th Oct, 2008  Topic: 24  Post: 103  Age:  28  
Posted on:22nd Nov 2008, 12:07pm
 

nika prob

bahi agr islami point of view sy nika ya kam acha ni Court main nika tu phr agr is ko nika he na consider kia jay jab islam is cheez ko allow ni krta tu phr hum is ko nika he na samjain bilkey again agr nika kia jay shadi kr k tu kia ya kam acha ni lets pehly waly nika main agr apis main koi oonch neeh ho jay magr munh sy ni kaha k  mere tarf sy talaq hy ya is terh ki koi warining di gae ho k conditionaly k agr is month main tery ghr waloon ny rishat na dia phr talaq he ho kia is sy talaq ho gai,agr kuch nikla b hy munh sy ya write kr k email sms etc sy magr ya baat ni likhee k talaq hy bus aik dafa b magr talaq talaq ki baat bht dafa howe hy larki ny ya b kaha hy farigh kero tu larky ny munh sy keh dia k farigh ho kia talq ho jate hy wo talaq ni kehta sirf ke dyta hy acha ab farigh ho bus plz bahi agr main is nika ko manoo he na kion k agr islam is k oper ijazet ni dyta tu main again nika kr k shadi kr main sochta hon agr ya nika 100% vilad hy ok agr 99.9% b hy phr is ko nika ni manty kion k phr sare life zina main ho gi or ulaad b kia sy kia ho gi plz bhi help me
afrazawan Group: Members  Joined: 27th Oct, 2008  Topic: 24  Post: 103  Age:  28  
Posted on:22nd Nov 2008, 12:07pm
 

nika prob

bahi agr islami point of view sy nika ya kam acha ni Court main nika tu phr agr is ko nika he na consider kia jay jab islam is cheez ko allow ni krta tu phr hum is ko nika he na samjain bilkey again agr nika kia jay shadi kr k tu kia ya kam acha ni lets pehly waly nika main agr apis main koi oonch neeh ho jay magr munh sy ni kaha k  mere tarf sy talaq hy ya is terh ki koi warining di gae ho k conditionaly k agr is month main tery ghr waloon ny rishat na dia phr talaq he ho kia is sy talaq ho gai,agr kuch nikla b hy munh sy ya write kr k email sms etc sy magr ya baat ni likhee k talaq hy bus aik dafa b magr talaq talaq ki baat bht dafa howe hy larki ny ya b kaha hy farigh kero tu larky ny munh sy keh dia k farigh ho kia talq ho jate hy wo talaq ni kehta sirf ke dyta hy acha ab farigh ho bus plz bahi agr main is nika ko manoo he na kion k agr islam is k oper ijazet ni dyta tu main again nika kr k shadi kr main sochta hon agr ya nika 100% vilad hy ok agr 99.9% b hy phr is ko nika ni manty kion k phr sare life zina main ho gi or ulaad b kia sy kia ho gi plz bhi help me
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