Actually meri aap se baat karne ki khaish toh haiN, aur khair invite toh maiN aap ko kar bhi chuka hooN, lekin yahan par mazaa nahiN ayengaa, tehkeeq ki ja sakti haiN agar shak shuba hon kahin, jho bataiN aap ne zahir ki haiN wo ek tarfaa na samjhi haiN. Jho bataiN mene ki haiN, wo aap ke nasdeeq muhabbat aur dawat haiN. Mere yahan senior members mojood haiN, jho mere liye kabhi bhi iss thread maiN kadam nahiN rakhenge, agar kabhi unke knowledge ki zaroorat parr gaye, lekin kuch bohot ehaim sawalat aap ke haiN jin kaa jawaab mere paas mehfooz haiN, aap mere ghar ajaaye jab bhi Pakistan huwa ya aap mujse bhai Diplo ke through gap thaye shap lagaa le, inshallah tab bhi maiN aap ko kuch sawal karonga, aur jho aap ne aaj se chand mahine pehle sawal pooche thaye unka jawab de donga, istrah mere liye mere bhaiyon ki, mere seniors ki Soch ehaim haiN aur mere nasdeeq koi iss baat se hurt nahiN hoonga.
Tahqeeq uss waqt ki jati hai jab insan ko waqai sach jaananay ka shoq ho aur mera nahi khayal k aap ko iss qisam ka koi shoq hai...agar aap k senior members aap ki khatir yahan aa ker mujh se topic per baat kertay hain to mujhay khushi ho gi aur shayed aap ko bhi k sach samajhnay ka moqa mil jaye lakin yahan koi aisi jurat nahi kerta bas itna keh diya jata hai k Quran mein talaq k baray mein likha hai aur hadith mein bhi likha hai lakin hum fiqh hanfi ko mantay hain to hamaray liye talaq baein sahi hai :P
Jab Qurab clear bata raha hai jab sahih muslim mein likha hai k aik nashist mein 3 talaq denay ka rawaaj hazrat umar k doar mein shuru hua uss se pehlay iss ko 1 hi talaq samjha jata tha to phir iss se kiya sabit hota hai k aap loag sunnat e Muhammed saww per nahi balkeh sunnat umari per amal kertay hain...
Kher mera kaam sirf batana hai k yeh ghalat hai aur yeh sahi hai aur samajhna aap loagon ka kaam hai...
Naraye takbeer haiN, sahi kaha aap ne, aaj kal maiN thora practice kar raha hooN, naraye takbeera kehne ki.
Achi baat hai waisay bhi Islam ka mazzaq uranay mein aap loagon ko bohat maza aata hai tabhi to yeh haalat ker di hai ab iss naara ko bhi bigaar do...
Jho waqiya aap bata rahaiN haiN, hadith books wala, wo pir bhi wese nahiN he jese aap ne suna haiN...... Yakeen kare, aap ke sunne aur parrne maiN kuch farakh hon saktaa haiN. Hazrat Umar (r.a.) ko bohot Muhabbat thi hazoor Pak (SAW) se, wo kabhi bhi jaante waye unko kisi bhi qisam ki takleef nahiN de sakte thaye. Ye unke Islam maiN aanaye ke baad ki baat kar raha hooN. Hazrat Ali (r.a.) ki shaan toh bohot azeem thi. Unnonaye bhi kabhi aap Hazrat Muhammad (SAW) ki zindagi maiN rehte aisa kuch nahiN kia, jho unko aap ya maiN yahudi jesi ibadat ya taleem yaftaa ke sakaye. Umeed haiN aap samajh ke honge.
rajput sahab yehi to masla hai k aap ne kuch shaksiat ki mohabbat mein aankhein bund ker li hain aur aap yeh sochna bhi nahi chahtay k woh ghalat ker saktay thay...aur jis waqiye ki baat aap ker rahay hain woh mein ne suna nahi hai balkeh aap hi ki books mein perha hai aur yeh waqiya bhi Islam lanay k bohat baad ka hai phir aap kaisay inkar ker saktay hain ??
Aur aap kaisay keh saktay hain k hazrat umer ne Rasool Allah saww ko takleef nahi di ??
Kiya sulah e hudaibiya k moqa per hazrat umar ne hi shak nahi kiya tha ??
Kiya ohad mein Rasool Allah saww ko choar ker bhaag nahi gaye thay jang se ??
Kiya waqiya qartas mein jab Rasool Allah saww ne pen aur paper manga to kiya hazrat umar hi nahi thay jinhon ne denay se inkar kiya aur Rasool Allah saww ki shaan HAJARO ka lafz istemal kiya,aap ko ilm hai k iss ka matlab kitna bura hai ya aap hi ki books se dikhaon aap ko iss lafz ka matlab ??
Dekho andhi mohabbat kerna sirf apnay aap k sath zulm hai aur kuch nahi...aap apni books perh lein even al farooq perh leinj is mein unn bidaat ka zikr kiya gaya hai jo hazrat umer k doar mein start huin yeh alaq baat hai k uss ka naam change ker k unn ko hazrat umer ki awaliat ka naam de diya....
Dear naami Mufti, aap ke dua'n ka khaloos dil se shukria, my dear bhai mujhe jitni bhi dua' di jaye filhaal kam haiN aur mujhe sirf aap ki nahiN kaye aur logoon ki dua ki zaroorat haiN. Agar pichle saal heart attack na hota toh mamlaa itna complex na hota. I think waldaiN pareshan haiN kaafi, lekiN mere jhoot se wo satisfy bhi nahiN hon rahy thaye, ab jab surgery ka faisalaa kar lia haiN toh thore itminaan haiN ghar maiN. Bachaye nahiN he, aur na unke anaye ki koi jaldi haiN. Pir bhi aap ka mere bhai dua ka bohot shukria.
Allah Hafiz
Hum sirf dua ker saktay hain k Allah aap ko mukamal sehat de kiun k yeh kaam Allah k samnay koi bara nahi hai aur woh jo chahye ker sakta hai...InshAllah sab behtar ho ga baaki jo Allah ko manzoor...
Aap k masla ka mein ne aik sahab se pocha hai lakin unhon ne kafi sawal pochay iss baray mein...
K jab aap ko aisa dream hota hai kiya aap k sonay se pehlay uss cheez ka koi ziada zikr to nahi kiya ya aap ne uss din koi sakht kaam to nahi kiya k aap k asaab thak gaye hon ya aap ne uss din muraghan ghiza to nahi gaye...
kiun k unn ka kehna hai k aksar khuwab anay ki wajah yeh bhi hoti hai k aap din mein kafi thak gaye hon to phir ajeeb se khuwab atay hain asabi dabao ki wajah se ya aap ne heavy khana khaya ho tab bhi yeh chance hota hai...
Asraat ki aik wajah to mein ne aap ko bata di k female k periods disturb hotay hain,uss k ilawa jism dard kerta hai khaas ker aap k khanday aur tangein...
Aur sab se ahm baat yeh hai k khuwab raat k kis time aata hai agar aap ko yaad ho kiun k jitna insan fajar k qareeb khuwab dekhta hai woh utna hi haqeeqat k qareeb hota hai...
Aur agar inn kuch wajohat yeni thakun ya ghiza ka taluq nahi hai to phir yeh asraat ki nishani hai aur aisa khuwab anay ka matlab hai k koi shaks aap ki duniya mein izzat kam kerna chahta hai ya dosray lafzon meinyeh k woh chahta hai k loagon k samnay aap ki izzat kharab ho aur jo maqaam ya izzat hai woh kam ho ya kharab ho...
Iss k liye aap ko aik to jab aap subah uthein yeni namaz k liye to aap 7 dafa durood perh ker 7 dafa Surah ikhlas perhein aur uss k baad 7 dafa darood perh ker apnay hathon per phonk dein aur hathon ko jism per ragar lein...
Uss k ilawa bhi aap zikr e Khuda kerti raha karein aur Surah Taha bhi perha karein InshAllah aap ki mushkil asaan ho jaye gi...
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Posted on:5th Apr 2012, 6:21pm
soch aur uske hamil aap
Dear naami mufti sahab, ye wese nahiN jese aap keh rahe haiN? Main toh andha dhundh follow karta hon kisi ko ye toh aap maane ke liye tayar haiN, lekin brother ye search aap ki, ye bataiN aap ki, inn maiN kitni sachaye haiN.
Sulah Hudaibiya ke waqt par Hazrat Umar (r.a.) ne jho faisalaa kia tu uss par Hazrat Muhammad (SAW) ko dukh nahiN huwa tha, huwa hota toh ham wo bhi parrte, Albatta aap ko ya muj jese ko dhukh hon saktaa haiN aap ni na- samjhi ki wajah se, ye thareek, hamse 1400 saal se bhi purani haiN, inki muhabbat ke agaye ham kuch nahiN he mere bhai.. MaiN zaara detail se samjhaa tha hoon, Unonaye kahan unko ke maiN nahiN jana chahtaa, aap meri jaga Hazrat Uthman bin Affan (r.a.) ko bhijwa de. Hazrat Muhammad (SAW) ne yahi kia aur farmaya, begyr koi narazgi dikhaye.
Ab jab ye saara waqiya hongaya..
Toh Quraish ke taraf se Suhayl bin Amr, wo aur Hazrat Muhammad (SAW) ne faisala kia agreement sign karne par, uss agreement ke muqamal hote hi wo umra hajj kar sakty haiN.
LekiN agreement likhte waqt , aur likh bhi kauN raha thaye, Hazrat Ali (r.a.)
Hazrat Muhammad SAW ne kahan ke likho maiN nabhi Allah ka Hazrat Muhammad (SAW) lekin Suhayl bin Amr ne iss baat se bhi inkar kia jese pehle kia tha, aur kahan agar ham aap ko nabi maantaye toh larraye hi kyun hoti, aap apna aur apne walid ka naam likhaye. Pir hazrat Muhammad (SAW) iss baat ko bhi maangaye aur tayar hongaye
Hazrat Ali (r.a.) se kahan ke iss ko mitaatoh aur wese likhoo toh unonaye Suhayl bin Amr ke saamnaye inkaar kia Hazrat Muhammad (SAW) ko, kia wo inkaar aap ke nasdeeq takleef nahiN?????
Pir Hazrat Muhammad SAW ne paper, qalam cheena aur khud mitaya aur likha, ye sab huwa uss waqt ke kafir Suhayl bin Amr, jho beshak baad maiN musalman ban gaya hoon.
Khair..... Kuch soche bhai, aap larrte khoob haiN, kamus kam aap ni hi research behter karle.
Rahi baat 3 talaq ek waqt maiN, 1 talak manaa aur rehna, mene ye baat hamari pehli arguement maiN hi keh dia thaa, ke mere walid hanfi nazria ko importance dete haiN, iska qatan ye matlab nahiN ke maiN bhi follow kartaa hooN, mere nasdeeq islam ka aqeedah, wo haiN jho Quran aur Sunnah ka haiN.
Uss maiN jho loog extra bataiN banaate haiN ya daalte haiN maiN unke khushi ke taraf bhi smile paas kar deta hooN door se, lekiN maiN kareeb ja kar embrace nahiN kartaa, warna unn maiN aur mujhe farakh kia rahaa. Ye baat bohot zaroori haiN ke jesa Islam, hazrat Muhammad SAW ne aap ni zindagi maiN hame
introduce kar waya haiN ham wese chalaiN naa ke uss maiN bhi nuqs dhoonde, aur dhandora peetaye aur naya islam introduce kare kisi aur naam se.
Hamari saari laaraye imamat ke difference pe haiN. Lekin ye baat toh aap bhi mantaye haiN ke aap ke Pehle imam, Imam Malik aur Imam Abu Hanifa ke bhi imam thaye.
Khair...
Aap itna bhi na bhugz khaya kare hanafi musalmano se, ye jitne hamaraye bhai haiN uthne aap ke bhi haiN.
Beshak, aap inki ibadat yahudiyat se milate haiN, lekiN maiN aisi jurat nahiN kartaa, warna loog mere yakeen ko, aqeedaye ko bura kahaiN ke. Leehaza meri izat mere haath maiN he.
Dear naami mufti sahab, ye wese nahiN jese aap keh rahe haiN? Main toh andha dhundh follow karta hon kisi ko ye toh aap maane ke liye tayar haiN, lekin brother ye search aap ki, ye bataiN aap ki, inn maiN kitni sachaye haiN.
Baat research ki nahi hai balkeh baat sachai ki hai...
Sulah Hudaibiya ke waqt par Hazrat Umar (r.a.) ne jho faisalaa kia tu uss par Hazrat Muhammad (SAW) ko dukh nahiN huwa tha, huwa hota toh ham wo bhi parrte, Albatta aap ko ya muj jese ko dhukh hon saktaa haiN aap ni na- samjhi ki wajah se, ye thareek, hamse 1400 saal se bhi purani haiN, inki muhabbat ke agaye ham kuch nahiN he mere bhai.. MaiN zaara detail se samjhaa tha hoon, Unonaye kahan unko ke maiN nahiN jana chahtaa, aap meri jaga Hazrat Uthman bin Affan (r.a.) ko bhijwa de. Hazrat Muhammad (SAW) ne yahi kia aur farmaya, begyr koi narazgi dikhaye.
Ab yahan mein aap ko aik waqiya sunata hoon aur woh aap ne kafi dafa apnay ulma se tareef ki surat mein suna bhi ho ga,aik shaks Rasool Allah saww k paas aik baat pochnay k liye gaya,Aap saww ne baat batae woh wahan se uth ker hazrat umer k paas chala gaya wohi baat pochnay,hazrat umar ne kaha k ruk mein abhi batata hon aap ne talwar li aur uss ka ser kaat diya k jab Rasool Allah saww ne baat bata di phir tu shak kerta hai unn per...
Uss shaks ki saza qatal thi ya nahi hum iss per baat nahi kertay magar yahan hum keh saktay hain k jo Rasool Allah saww k ferman per shak karay uss ki saza hazrat umar k samnay qatal hi thi lakin sulah e hudaibiya k moqa per hazrat umar ne Rasool Allah saww k iss amal per shak kiya aur Rasool Allah saww ne unhain samjhaya magar unhain phir bhi shak raha aur woh hazrat abu bakar k paas chalay gaye wohi masla le ker...
Ab aap mujhay bataein agar uss shaks ko shak kernay ki saza moat mili to kiya hazrat umer ki saza bhi moat nahi bunti ??
Aur aap sulah e hudaibiya ka waqiya ghoar se perhein aap ko mil jaye ga k Rasool Allah saww ne unhain saaf keh diya k dekho mein Allah ka Rasool hon aur mein kabhi bhi uss k hukam ki mukhalafat nahi karon ga yeni hazrat umar mukamal mukhalafat ker rahay thay...
Ab ajahn tak baat aati hai makkah janay ki to meray bhai aap ne yahan baat aadhi quote ki hai jab Rasool Allah saww ne hazrat umar ko makkah janay ka hukam diya to unhon ne kaha mujhay wahan apni jaan ka khatra hai aap usman ko bhej dein,ab aik shaks jab apni buzdili dikha de phir uss se kiya jhagra kerna ya naraz hona ??
Uss k baad aap ne Mola Ali a.s ki baat ki,ab aap bataein k uss mein kiya ghalat hai ??
Kiya Mola Ali a.s ne shaan kam kernay k liye naam mitanay se inkar kiya ya shaan berhanay k liye ??
Her waqiya ka pasomanzar dekha jata hai meray bhai aur her waqiya ko gustakhi bhi nahi bunaya ja sakta...
Ab atay hain waqiya qartas per jab Rasool Allah saww ne pen aur paper manga to hazrat umar ne kaha k Rasool Allah saww hizyan keh rahay hain...aap dictionary mein dekh lijiye ga k hizyan ka matlab kiya hai aap yeh lafz meray liye bhi istemal nahi karein ge jab k hazrat umar ne woh alfaz Rasool Allah saww k liye istemal kiye aur Rasool Allah saww ka wahan reaction kiya tha ?? Rasool allah saww ne naraz ho ker kaha mein uss se bohat behtar hon jo tum meray baray mein keh rahay ho aur hpir unn loagon ko apni mehfil se hi nikal diya aur aap uss hadith ka start hi perh lein to aap samajh jaein ge k Hazrat Ibn Abbas se jab iss waqiya ka pocha jata tha to woh itna rotay thay k pathar geelay ho jatay thay,ab woh kiya kisi khushi mein rotay thay ??
Rahi baat 3 talaq ek waqt maiN, 1 talak manaa aur rehna, mene ye baat hamari pehli arguement maiN hi keh dia thaa, ke mere walid hanfi nazria ko importance dete haiN, iska qatan ye matlab nahiN ke maiN bhi follow kartaa hooN, mere nasdeeq islam ka aqeedah, wo haiN jho Quran aur Sunnah ka haiN.
Uss maiN jho loog extra bataiN banaate haiN ya daalte haiN maiN unke khushi ke taraf bhi smile paas kar deta hooN door se, lekiN maiN kareeb ja kar embrace nahiN kartaa, warna unn maiN aur mujhe farakh kia rahaa. Ye baat bohot zaroori haiN ke jesa Islam, hazrat Muhammad SAW ne aap ni zindagi maiN hame
Meray bhai sirf smile paish kernay se kaam nahi bunta kiya aap ko nahi pata k Rasool Allah saww ne fermaya k her biddat zalalat hai ??
Aur aap ahadees mein perh lein k Rasool Allah saww ne fermaya k jis ne deen mein biddat start ki uss k sab amal zaya ho jaein ge aur zahir hai k woh jannat ka to sochay hi nahi kiun k biddat start kernay walay ka ya uss per amal kernay walay ka maqam jahanum hai yeh sab firqah mantay hain...
Ab bohat se history books mein bhi yeh baat mojood hai aur aap sahih muslim mein bhi baat perh saktay hain k yeh talaq e baein ki biddat hazrat umar ne start ki....
Hamari saari laaraye imamat ke difference pe haiN. Lekin ye baat toh aap bhi mantaye haiN ke aap ke Pehle imam, Imam Malik aur Imam Abu Hanifa ke bhi imam thaye.
Yeh baat na sirf hum mantay hain balkeh yeh sabit bhi hai lakin aap yeh bhi to dekhein k kiya Imam Jaffer Sadiq a.s ne abu hanifa ko qayyas kernay se manah nahi fermaya tha ??
Aur agar aap ne tabqaat ibn saad perhni nahi ho gi to naam zaroor suna ho ga bohat purani kitab hai history ki book hai aur sath mein rijal bhi hai aur ibn saad abu hanifa ki wafat se shayed 30 saal paida hua yeni yeh dono aik hi century k loag kahay ja saktay hain,aap uss ki kitab mein koofa k sahaba o tabaen ki category mein abu hanfia k baray meink hud se perh lein,ibn saad ne likha hai k abu hanifa sahib ul raaye thay yeni qayyas kiya kertay thay yeni k masail mein apni raye de detay thay aur unhon ne kaha hai k yeh hadith mein dhaef thay...
Ab iss se bara aur kiya saboot ho ga aap k liye ya meri baat k liye k abu hanifa ilm ul rijal k tehat aik dhaef hasiat rakhtay thay aur jo shaks ilm ul rijal mein dhaef mana jaye uss ki koi baat sahi nahi mani jati.
Khair...
Aap itna bhi na bhugz khaya kare hanafi musalmano se, ye jitne hamaraye bhai haiN uthne aap ke bhi haiN.
Beshak, aap inki ibadat yahudiyat se milate haiN, lekiN maiN aisi jurat nahiN kartaa, warna loog mere yakeen ko, aqeedaye ko bura kahaiN ke. Leehaza meri izat mere haath maiN he.
Mujhay kisi bhi shaks se bughz nahi hai khua woh hanafi hon,ahl hadith hon ya deobandi hon aur na hi inn se nafrat hai balkeh mujhay inn se ikhtelaf hai aur ikhtelaf bughz ya nafrat ki wajah se nahi hota balkeh aqaid ya nazreyat ki wajah se hota hai uss ko aap bughz nahi kehtay,aur yeh mera aqeeda nahi hai balkeh shia aqeeda hai k jo bhi Allah ko wahid manay aur Rasool Allah saww ko akhri Nabi manay woh beshaq musalman hai...
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Posted on:6th Apr 2012, 7:47pm
sardar kali maata daa
Hazrat Muhammad (SAW) ne samjhaya nahiN Hazrat Umar (r.a.) ko, unonaye bus kahan unse, farmaya unko ke maiN chahtaa hon aap jaaye, unonaye aap ni reservations ka unko bataya saath saath ye darkwast kar di ke meri jaga Uthman bin Affan (r.a.) ko bhijwaa de. Aur Hazrat Muhammad (SAW) ne yahi kia begyr
naraz huwe, begyr pen ya paper cheene jese Hazrat Ali (r.a.) ke saath huwa tha, uss waqt ek Quraish Kafir ke saamne. Jis ko aap shaan ki baat keh rahe haiN, mene kabhi gustakhi jese alfaaz istemal nahiN kiye.. Usski wajah ye haiN:::
The prophet(saw) also said of Ali(ra) : "Loving Ali is the sign of belief, and hating Ali is the sign of hypocrisy." (Sahih Muslim )
waqiya qartas ke baraye maiN guftago karte haiN.
Uss maiN Hazrat Umar (r.a.) aur kuch aur sahaba ikram Hazrat Muhammad (SAW) ki sehait ki khabar lene unke ghar gaaye, wahan Hazrat Muhammad (SAW) ne kahan ke mere baad tum loog islaam ke raastaye se door na jao, maiN tumhe kuch likhar dena chahtaa hooN, Iss waqiye par Hazrat Umar (r.a.) ne unko aziyat (paiN) maiN dekhte waye ek dostana, muklisana taur pe kahan ke abhi aap dard maiN he, pen paper ki zaroorat nahiN, kuch sahabiyo ne Hazrat Umar (r.a.) ki side li toh kuch ne Hazrat Muhammad (saw) ki.. Jab inn logoon ke behaiz ki awaaz zaada bar gaaye, toh Hazoor Pak (SAW) ne sab ko bahar jaane ke liye kahan..
Mere nasdeeq, meri raaye, aur meri soch, ooper wale waqiye ki mazeed tasdeeq nahiN kar sakte. Wajah ye ke Hazrat Umar (r.a.) ek sahabi thaye aur haiN. MaiN nahiN thaa.. na hooN. Hazrat Ali (r.a.) ek sahabaye thaye aur rahaiNge...
MaiN nahiN. Iss baat ko samjhe naami mufti ke aap, jiss shaksiyat ko tareekh ki wajah se Qoos rahe haiN , kahiN aap kufar na kar bethaye, Islam se bahar na nikal jaaye, pir maiN jitna bhi samjhao aap ko bus Shia asool aur shia taleem hi yaad rahengi, meri baaton ki ehmiyat nahiN hongi beshak maiN theek aur sach keh raha hoon...
Neeche ek hadith haiN... Let me know if u beleive in it. Even if u dont, it should provide some light on why, we trust and believe in the Khalifah's etc...
It is the Hadeeth of the Khulafaa al-Raashideen. Shaykh al-Albaanee (d. 1420 H) in his Irwaa al-Ghaleel, vol. 8, p. 107, #2455 records that the Prophet, peace be upon him and his family, said:
أوصيكم بتقوى الله والسمع والطاعة , وإن عبدا حبشيا , فإنه من يعش منكم بعدى فسيرى اختلافا كثيرا , فعليكم بسنتى وسنة الخلفاء المهديين الراشدين , تمسكوا بها , وعضوا عليها بالنواجذ , وإياكم ومحدثات الأمور , فإن كل محدثة بدعة , وكل بدعة ضلالة
I advise you to fear Allaah, and to listen and obey, even if (the ruler is) an Ethiopian slave. Whosoever among you lives long after me will see a lot of differences and disagreements. Therefore, follow my Sunnah and the Sunnah of the Khaleefahs who are divinely guided (al-mahdiyeen) and are rightly guided (al-raashideen). Adhere to IT and cling stubbornly to IT. Beware of the innovations in the (religious) affairs, for every innovation is a Bid’ah, and every Bid’ah is misguidance.”
Naami mufti bhai iska ye matlab huwa ke jho logoon ne bataiN ijhaad karli haiN, jinse nabi SAW ne mana farmaya haiN jese ke saal gira manana, pir aap Eid-miladun-Nabi ki misal le laiN, shia'oN ki bhi eid haiN etc.. Wese hi kuch aur bataiN jho ke Deen ke khilaf jaati haiN wo haiN bidat, jho bataiN deen ke khilaf nahiN ja rahi, aur wo logoon ki ijhaad ki wi haiN, chahaiN wo shia hazraat hon ya Sunni jese ke Naat-e-. mere nasdeeq aur meri raaye maiN, wo bidat nahiN. Pir bhi aap dekh le ye sab, aur mujhse baat kar li jiye gaa. Problem ye haiN ke yahan par har taraah ke members haiN, Allah gawaah haiN ke ye Conversation maiN aap se yahan nahiN karnaa chahtaa. Lekin aap haiN jho sunte hi nahiN. Aur na Diplomate se mera e-mail address lete haiN, khair wo aap ki marzi, wese bhi zaada dayr maiN nahiN hoon idher.
Apart from grading it as SaHeeH, Shaykh al-Albaanee also says:
He (al-Tirmidhee) said: “A Hasan SaHeeH Hadeeth”.
Al-Harwee said: “This is one of the most magnificent Hadeeths from the Syrians.”
Al-Bazzaar said: “A firm, SaHeeH Hadeeth.”
Ibn ‘Abd al-Barr said: “A firm Hadeeth.”
Al-Haakim said: “SaHeeH. It has no defect.”
Al-Diyaa al-Maqdisee also declared it SaHeeH
This Hadeeth informs us about the sects – the differences among them. It also shows us that the proliferation of sects would occur right at the time of the SaHaabah after the Prophet’s death: “Whosoever among you lives long after me will see a lot of differences and disagreements”. He was addressing his SaHaabah. Our master and prophet now told his SaHaabah to do two things when sects started to proliferate among them:
1. Follow his Sunnah
2. Follow the Khaleefahs after him, who are divinely guided and rightly guided.
Whosoever did these two things would forever be saved from evil and misguidance of the sects, and would be on the correct path.
History books: Mere piyare bhai agar inn ke naam aap mujhe e-mail kar wa saky toh kar di jiye gaa, warna inn kitabon ko khareed kar mere defence ke ghar pe bhijwa de, Kindly.
Uss maiN Hazrat Umar (r.a.) aur kuch aur sahaba ikram Hazrat Muhammad (SAW) ki sehait ki khabar lene unke ghar gaaye, wahan Hazrat Muhammad (SAW) ne kahan ke mere baad tum loog islaam ke raastaye se door na jao, maiN tumhe kuch likhar dena chahtaa hooN, Iss waqiye par Hazrat Umar (r.a.) ne unko aziyat (paiN) maiN dekhte waye ek dostana, muklisana taur pe kahan ke abhi aap dard maiN he, pen paper ki zaroorat nahiN, kuch sahabiyo ne Hazrat Umar (r.a.) ki side li toh kuch ne Hazrat Muhammad (saw) ki.. Jab inn logoon ke behaiz ki awaaz zaada bar gaaye, toh Hazoor Pak (SAW) ne sab ko bahar jaane ke liye kahan..
Mere nasdeeq, meri raaye, aur meri soch, ooper wale waqiye ki mazeed tasdeeq nahiN kar sakte. Wajah ye ke Hazrat Umar (r.a.) ek sahabi thaye aur haiN. MaiN nahiN thaa.. na hooN. Hazrat Ali (r.a.) ek sahabaye thaye aur rahaiNge...
Apnay ulma ki terha khud se aap taveelein na karein...balkeh uss hadith ko zara ghoar se perhein...mein ne aap se pocha k uss hadith mein Hajaro ka lafz istemal hua hai aap mujhay bata dein k uss ka matlab kiya ??
Kiun k alfaz se hi pata chalta hai yeh baat mohabbat meink i gaye hai ya tauheen ki gaye hai...
Aur aap history utha ker dekh lo jab hazrat abu bakar mernay k qareeb thay to unhon ne bhi pen & paper manga...uss waqt hazrat umar ne yeh mohabbat kiun na dikhai ??
Jab k unn ki haalat Rasool Allah saww se bhi ziada buri thi k wasiat likhwatay likhwatay behosh ho gaye aur ussi behoshi k doran hazrat usman ne hazrat umar ka naam likh diya...kiya uss waqt hazrat umar iss liye chup rahay k ab badhshat mujhay milni hai to pen & paper de do,phir ussi terha hazrat umar ne bhi pen & paper manga jab k hazrat umar to shahdeed zakhmi bhi thay to uss waqt unhain ya kisi ko yeh kiun na khalay aaya k inn ki tabiat aisi nahi hai k inn ko pen & paper diya jaye ??
Aur sab se ahm baat jab Rasool Allah saww khud pen & paper maang rahay thay to phir mohabbat aur farz yehi tha k khamoshi se unn ka hukam mana jaye,pen & paper se unhain takleef honi thi lakin jo baad mein hazrat umer ki tauheen aur inkar se wahan shoar hua kiya uss se takleef nahi hui thi ??
Aur sahabi hona koi fazeelat nahi hai kiun k agar aap history perh lein to kitnay sahabi murtad ho gaye mernay se pehlay ??
Yahudsiat se mohabbat kernay walay,Rasool Allah saww k hukam ka inkar kernay walay,unn ki shaan mein na-zaiba alfaz istemal kernay walay,unhain museebat mein jangon mein choar ker bhagnay walay,unn k samnay awaz buland kernay walay,unn ki biwion k bahir nikalnay per awazein kasnay walay sahabi kaisay ho saktay hain ??
Mujhay aap yeh bataein k aap hazrat umar ki wajah se Rasool Allah saww se mohabbat kertay hain ya Rasool Allah saww ki wajah se hazrat umar se mohabbat kertay hain ??
Aap loagon ki baaton se to yehi lagta hai k aap Rasool Allah saww se mohabbat hazrat umar ki wajah se kertay hain kiun k agar aap Rasool Allah saww se mohabbat kertay to inn baaton ko perh ker samajh jatay k yeh gustakhi hai Rasool Allah saww ki...
MaiN nahiN. Iss baat ko samjhe naami mufti ke aap, jiss shaksiyat ko tareekh ki wajah se Qoos rahe haiN , kahiN aap kufar na kar bethaye, Islam se bahar na nikal jaaye, pir maiN jitna bhi samjhao aap ko bus Shia asool aur shia taleem hi yaad rahengi, meri baaton ki ehmiyat nahiN hongi beshak maiN theek aur sach keh raha hoon...
Aap ne shayed shirk/kufr k lafaz sunay hain unn per tahqeeq nahi ki..shirk woh hota hai jo Tauheed per aisi baat ki jaye jo sahi na ho aur kufr woh hota hai jo Rasool Allah saww per aisi baat ki jaye jo unn k liye zaib na deti ho...
Kiya aap hazrat umer ko nabi mantay hain ??
Aap k liye aap ki baaton ki ahmiat iss liye hai k aap sunni sunai baatein meray samnay ker rahay hain aur meri baaton ki bhi aap ki nazar meink oi ahmiat nahi hai jab k mein yeh baatein aap hi ki hadith aur history books se perh ker keh raha hoon...
It is the Hadeeth of the Khulafaa al-Raashideen. Shaykh al-Albaanee (d. 1420 H) in his Irwaa al-Ghaleel, vol. 8, p. 107, #2455 records that the Prophet, peace be upon him and his family, said:
أوصيكم بتقوى الله والسمع والطاعة , وإن عبدا حبشيا , فإنه من يعش منكم بعدى فسيرى اختلافا كثيرا , فعليكم بسنتى وسنة الخلفاء المهديين الراشدين , تمسكوا بها , وعضوا عليها بالنواجذ , وإياكم ومحدثات الأمور , فإن كل محدثة بدعة , وكل بدعة ضلالة
I advise you to fear Allaah, and to listen and obey, even if (the ruler is) an Ethiopian slave. Whosoever among you lives long after me will see a lot of differences and disagreements. Therefore, follow my Sunnah and the Sunnah of the Khaleefahs who are divinely guided (al-mahdiyeen) and are rightly guided (al-raashideen). Adhere to IT and cling stubbornly to IT. Beware of the innovations in the (religious) affairs, for every innovation is a Bid’ah, and every Bid’ah is misguidance.”
Sirf copy paste kerna hi aata hai aap ko ??
Iss se pehlay k mein iss hadith per baat karon aap mujhay yeh bata dein k aap k aqeeda mein khalifah bunta kaisay hai aur kiya jo aap k aqeeda mein khalifah bunanay ka tareeka hai kiya woh Quran k mutabiq hai,kiya aap mujhay Quran se sabit ker saktay hain k khalifah insan ya koi bhi Allah k ilawa elect/select ker sakta hai ??
1. Follow his Sunnah 2. Follow the Khaleefahs after him, who are divinely guided and rightly guided.
Whosoever did these two things would forever be saved from evil and misguidance of the sects, and would be on the correct path.
Hazrat Saad bin abada r.a ansaar k sardar thay aur Rasool Allah saww k bohat qareeb thay,unhon ne apni life mein na hazrat bau bakar ki khilafat ko tasleem kiya aur na hi hazrat umar ki khilafat ko tasleem kiya,unn k baray mein aap kiya kaho ge k woh murtad ho gaye thay ??
History books: Mere piyare bhai agar inn ke naam aap mujhe e-mail kar wa saky toh kar di jiye gaa, warna inn kitabon ko khareed kar mere defence ke ghar pe bhijwa de, Kindly.
Kis masla per books chahein ??
mein aap ko naam bata doon ga aap agar chaho to online download ker saktay hain aur agar aap ko sab ahl sunnah ki hadith aur history books chahein to aap ziaraat.com se download ker saktay hain.
Jahan tak baat hai muttah ki to woh Quran se bhi jaiz hai aur Rasool Allah saww k zamana mein sahaba ne bhi kiya aur sab se ahm baat aap k khalifah hazrat abu bakar ki beti asma bint abi bakar bhi muttah kerti thein agar aap ko yaqeen na aaye to mujhay zaroor bataye ga mein aap ko aap ki books ka scan page dikha doon ga :P
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Rasool Allah SAW k dor men mutah krny ka ksi sunni ny inkaar nahi kia mutah pahly sy tha or Rasool Allah saw ney mukhtalif waqt men uski ijazat bhi di lakin Aap SAW ney hi usy haraam karaar dy dia is liay Rasool Allah saw k dor men ksi k mutah krny sy Mutah sabit nahi hota .. Sharaab bhi pahly sy thi or usy kuch log pitay bhi thy or ek dam sy haram bhi nahi hui thi . baad men ja kr Haaam hui .....
lakin mera reply krny ka maqsad mutah or usky halaal o haram hony kay masly pr nahi hy .. mujhy sirf yeh puchan hy k kia Asma Ra sy ksi ney pucha tha k aap ney mutah kia tha ya krtin thin jis pr unhon ny jawab dia ho k han meny mutah kia tha ya men mutah krti thi .. ya ksi or sahabi ney kaha hy k Asma RA ney mutah kia ya woh mutah krtin thin???
agar koi shaks Quran ko choar ker toraat ki tilawat shuru ker de unchi awaz mein to uss se saaf zahir hota hai k uss k dil mein yahudiat ki mohabbat ghussi hui hai...
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Torrait ksi Yahoodi ki likhi hui kitaab hey ya ksi Yahoodi pr nazil hui thi jis k parhny sy Umar ra ka yahodion sy mohabat ka izhaar hota hy???
or agar Umar ra ko yahondion sy mohabat thi to mery is sawal ka sidha sa jawab den k Jazeerah arab sy yahoodion ko kis ny nikala tha???
or aapny ek wakia bian kia lakin us men bohot si chezain khaa gaye or tor mor kr paish kia .. woh wakia sahi hy ya galat yeh bahas nahi hy lakin us wakia men Ek Musalman or Ek yahodi ka apasy men jhagra hua or woh Rasool Allah saw k pas gaye or Rasool Allah saw ney Yahodi k haq men faisla kia.. musalman ney socha k Umar ra yahodion k maamly men sakth hen or mujhy musalman hony ki waja sy shayad yahodi k khilaaf faisla den gen to woh dono Umar ra k paas geye or yahodi ny kaha k aap is sy pahly koi faisla den aapky nabi ney mery haq men faisla dia hy ... agar Umar ra ko yahodion sy mohabat thi to woh Musalman umar ra ki adalat men yeh kissa kiun ley kr gya??
Abdullah Ibn saba ek yahodi tha jis ney zahiran Islam kabul kia or woh sub sy pahla shaks tha jis ney Ali ra ki wilayat ka Aqeeda gara.. Ali ra k liay Ajeeb o gareb sifaat banae .. yahodi hoty huay us ney jo kuch Yusha bin non k liay jhoty aqaid or sifaat banata tha musalman hony k baad wesy hi Ali ra k liay kia... to apny firqy ki kahir manaye jiski bunyaad YAhoodiat sy li gaye hey .. yeh sari baten aapki apni shia books men hen ..
Kiya ohad mein Rasool Allah saww ko choar ker bhaag nahi gaye thay jang se ??
Kiya waqiya qartas mein jab Rasool Allah saww ne pen aur paper manga to kiya hazrat umar hi nahi thay jinhon ne denay se inkar kiya aur Rasool Allah saww ki shaan HAJARO ka lafz istemal kiya,aap ko ilm hai k iss ka matlab kitna bura hai ya aap hi ki books se dikhaon aap ko iss lafz ka matlab ??
jab k hazrat umar ne woh alfaz Rasool Allah saww k liye istemal kiye aur Rasool Allah saww ka wahan reaction kiya tha ?? Rasool allah saww ne naraz ho ker kaha mein uss se bohat behtar hon jo tum meray baray mein keh rahay ho aur hpir unn loagon ko apni mehfil se hi nikal diya aur aap uss hadith ka start hi perh lein to aap samajh jaein ge k Hazrat Ibn Abbas se jab iss waqiya ka pocha jata tha to woh itna rotay thay k pathar geelay ho jatay thay,ab woh kiya kisi khushi mein rotay thay ??
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koi sahi riwayat paish kren jis men Umar ra Jung Uhad sy bhaaag gay hon .
or hijar ka matlab kia hota hy is pr baad men baat kren gen pahly ksi sahi Riwayat sy yeh sabit kren k yeh alfaaz Hazrat Umar ra ny kahay thy.
or kia Rasool Allah saw ney pen and paper Umar ra sy maanga tha jo unho ney deny sy inkaar kia?? is baat ko bhi sabit kren baki baten baad men
jab k hazrat umar ne woh alfaz Rasool Allah saww k liye istemal kiye aur Rasool Allah saww ka wahan reaction kiya tha ?? Rasool allah saww ne naraz ho ker kaha mein uss se bohat behtar hon jo tum meray baray mein keh rahay ho aur hpir unn loagon ko apni mehfil se hi nikal diya aur aap uss hadith ka start hi perh lein to aap samajh jaein ge k Hazrat Ibn Abbas se jab iss waqiya ka pocha jata tha to woh itna rotay thay k pathar geelay ho jatay thay,ab woh kiya kisi khushi mein rotay thay ??
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pahly uper waly point pr baaat ho jaye phir is takreer pr bhi baat kr len gen jis men aani taraf sy chezain gari hen aapny k us alfaaz ko sun kr aap SAW naraz ho gaye or kaha k men us sy bohot behtar hun jo tum keh rahy ho ..
Ab atay hain asal topic per...aap ne iqrar kiya k Quran mein 5 namazon ki timing sirf 3 hai aur phir sahih bukhari mein bhi Rasool Allah saww ne 5 namazein 3 waqt perhein magar aap Quran k hukam ka bhi inkar ker rahay hain aur apni hadith book ka bhi,lakin kaisay ?? kiya aap samajhtay hain k aap k paas Quran aur sahih bukhari se ziada ilm hai ya aap Quran k ilawa kisi aur kitab ko mantay hain ??
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kia aap samajhty hen k apky Pas Hazrat Ali ra sy ziada ilm hey??
Hazrat ali ra to 5 namazon ki ahlay sunnat ki 5 alag timing sy parhna bta rahy hen woh bhi shia ki mashoor tareen kitaab men. fajar ki alag zohar ki alag magrib ki alag isha ki alag
نماز کے بارے میں مختلف شہروں کے حکمرانوں کے نام علی ( ع ) کا خط :
ظہر کی نماز پڑھاؤ اس وقت تک کہ سورج اتنا جھک جائے کہ بکریوں کے باڑے کی دیوا رکا سایہ اس کے برابر ہو جائے . اور عصر کی نماز اس وقت تک پڑھ لینا چاہیے ابھی روشن زندہ ہو اور دن ابھی اتنا باقی ہو کہ چھ میل کی مسافت طے کی جاسکے اور مغرب کی نما ز اس وقت پڑھاؤ جب روزہ دار روزہ افطار کرتا ہے اور حاجی عرفات سے واپس جاتے ہیں اور عشائ کی نماز مغرب کی سرخی غائب ہو نے سے رات کے ایک تہائی حصہ تک پڑھا دو ,اور صبح کی نماز اس وقت پڑھاؤجب آدمی اپنے ہمراہی کا چہرہ پہچان لے اور نماز اتنی مختصر پڑھاؤ جو ان میں سے سب سے کمزور آدمی پر بھی باز نہ ہو او رلوگوں کے لےے صبر آزمانہ بن جاؤ
Rasool Allah SAW k dor men mutah krny ka ksi sunni ny inkaar nahi kia mutah pahly sy tha or Rasool Allah saw ney mukhtalif waqt men uski ijazat bhi di lakin Aap SAW ney hi usy haraam karaar dy dia is liay Rasool Allah saw k dor men ksi k mutah krny sy Mutah sabit nahi hota .. Sharaab bhi pahly sy thi or usy kuch log pitay bhi thy or ek dam sy haram bhi nahi hui thi . baad men ja kr Haaam hui .....
lakin mera reply krny ka maqsad mutah or usky halaal o haram hony kay masly pr nahi hy .. mujhy sirf yeh puchan hy k kia Asma Ra sy ksi ney pucha tha k aap ney mutah kia tha ya krtin thin jis pr unhon ny jawab dia ho k han meny mutah kia tha ya men mutah krti thi .. ya ksi or sahabi ney kaha hy k Asma RA ney mutah kia ya woh mutah krtin thin???
Welcome janab! Acha laga aap ki post dekh ker lakin kiya acha hota k aap new topic per anay k bajaye unn puranay topics per wapas jatay jin se aap bhaag chukay hain...
Kher aap ne muttah per baat ki aur aap ne kaha k iss se inkar nahi k muttah halal tha,aap mujhay bataein ge muttah halal kaisay hua tha Rasool Allah saww k doar mein aur phir haram kaisay hua ??
Aur dosri baat aap ne sharab ki misaal di k woh bhi Islam se pehlay pi jati thi aur woh Islam mein haram hui aahista aahista...
Chalein aap ki yeh misaal hum maan letay hain lakin meray bhai aap ne tarikh perhi ho gi,uss se sabit hota hai k Islam se pehlay sharab loag piya kertay thay balkeh adat bun chuki thi loagon ki iss liye mukhtalif tareekon se mein sharab haram hoti gaye,kiya kisi tarikh mein yeh bhi likha hai k Islam se pehlay Makkah o Madina mein muttah bhi hota tha ??
Mein ne abhi tak nahi perha shayed tarikh itni tawajoh se nahi perhi mein ne lakin aap ne tawajoh s eperhi tabhi to aap ko ilm hai pls yeh mujhay zaroor bata dein...
Ab muttah Rasool Allah saww k doar mein halal tha to zahir hai sahaba ne muttah kiya bhi ho ga aur yeh bhi kaha ja sakta hai k uss se aulad bhi hui ho gi to jab tak muttah halal tha woh aulad bhi halal hui aur jab muttah hi haram ho gaya to uss se jo aulad paida hui ho gi woh bhi to haram hi ho gaye ho gi...aap kiya kehtay hain iss baray mein ??
Aur jahan tak baat hai asma bint abi bakar ki to meray bhai aap khud se perh lein k aap ki books mein kiya likha hai uss baray mein...
Torrait ksi Yahoodi ki likhi hui kitaab hey ya ksi Yahoodi pr nazil hui thi jis k parhny sy Umar ra ka yahodion sy mohabat ka izhaar hota hy???
Wahh kiya daleel laaye hain,kiya Islam lanay k baad bhi uss ki utni hi ahmiat hai ?? phir aap Quran ko choar ker hazrat umar ki terha toraat hi ki tilawat kiun nahi shuru ker detay ??
or agar Umar ra ko yahondion sy mohabat thi to mery is sawal ka sidha sa jawab den k Jazeerah arab sy yahoodion ko kis ny nikala tha???
Bilkul janab seedha sa jawab doon ga k hazrat umar ne nikala lakin nikalnay ki wajah kiya thi ab pls aap bhi seedhi terha bata dijiye ga...
or aapny ek wakia bian kia lakin us men bohot si chezain khaa gaye or tor mor kr paish kia .. woh wakia sahi hy ya galat yeh bahas nahi hy lakin us wakia men Ek Musalman or Ek yahodi ka apasy men jhagra hua or woh Rasool Allah saw k pas gaye or Rasool Allah saw ney Yahodi k haq men faisla kia.. musalman ney socha k Umar ra yahodion k maamly men sakth hen or mujhy musalman hony ki waja sy shayad yahodi k khilaaf faisla den gen to woh dono Umar ra k paas geye or yahodi ny kaha k aap is sy pahly koi faisla den aapky nabi ney mery haq men faisla dia hy ... agar Umar ra ko yahodion sy mohabat thi to woh Musalman umar ra ki adalat men yeh kissa kiun ley kr gya??
Kahan ki baat kahan maar rahay ho meray bhai ?? yehi to aap ki adat hai k meri ki kisi baat ka ajwab denay k bajaye khud se hi baatein bana ker topic change ker detay ho...kher iss waqiya ka ref. bhi aap k paas ho ga woh zaroor dijiye ga...
Abdullah Ibn saba ek yahodi tha jis ney zahiran Islam kabul kia or woh sub sy pahla shaks tha jis ney Ali ra ki wilayat ka Aqeeda gara.. Ali ra k liay Ajeeb o gareb sifaat banae .. yahodi hoty huay us ney jo kuch Yusha bin non k liay jhoty aqaid or sifaat banata tha musalman hony k baad wesy hi Ali ra k liay kia... to apny firqy ki kahir manaye jiski bunyaad YAhoodiat sy li gaye hey .. yeh sari baten aapki apni shia books men hen ..
Janab aap ne tarikh perhi ho gi aap mujhay yeh batao k tabqaat ibn saad ne bhi tarikh likhi hai aur ibn masoodi ne bhi likhi hai,mein inn ka naam iss liye le raha hoon k yeh tabari k zamana k nazdeek thay aur ibn saad pehlay k thay...kiya aap ne inn ki tarikh mein ibn saba ka naam bhi perha ya ishara bhi perha k aisa koi shaks tha ??
Sab se pehlay jo yeh shirarat ki woh tabari ne ki aur woh yeh k saif bin umer ki book se yeh riwayaat lein aur agar aap perho to tabari ne aik hi waqiya per 2 alag riwayat quote ki hain aik saif se aur aik dosri se aur aap saif k waqiyat perh ker hi andaza laga lo ge k yeh shaks kitna jhoota hai...
Aur aap k ilm ul rijal k ulma ne saif bin umer ko zandeeq kaha hai aur phir bhi aap aik zandeeq ki book se ref. le ker apni tarikh ko mashk kertay rahay...
Kher abdullah ibn saba aik myth tha jisay saif bin umer ne bunaya tha jis ka madsaq sirf hazrat umer mein jo masail thay uss ka sara malba aik shaks per daal ker hazrat usman ko masoom sabit ker diya jaye...aur sab se ahm baat k ibn saba hazrat usman k doar mein poora ilaqa phirta raha aur fitna phelata raha magar kisi ne ussay kuch bhi nahi kaha aur uss ne gumrah kin ko kiya hazrat abu dhar aur hazrat ammar yasir ko SubhanAllah.
Sab se pehlay tabari ne shirarat ki aur uss k baad yeh riwayat zamana ba zamana books mein aati rahi khua woh shia books hon ya sunni books hon magar tabari se pehlay mera nahi khayal k aap kisi tarikh ki book mein ibn saba ka zikr pao ge...
koi sahi riwayat paish kren jis men Umar ra Jung Uhad sy bhaaag gay hon .
Yeh mera masla nahi hai k riwayat sahi hai ya ghalat aap ne jitni shia books se riwayat quote kein kiya aap ne sabit kiya tha k yeh riwayat sahi hain ??
Acha chalein agar aap yeh mantay hain k hazrat umar bhagay nahi thay aur muqabla kiya tha to aap mujhay unn maqtoolon k naam bata dein jinhain hazrat umar ne qatal kiya...
or hijar ka matlab kia hota hy is pr baad men baat kren gen pahly ksi sahi Riwayat sy yeh sabit kren k yeh alfaaz Hazrat Umar ra ny kahay thy.
Meray bhai mujhay kiya irfan ali shah ka parokar samjha hai k zair zabar ki game ker k behla lo ge :P
Yeh drama hum bohat baar pehlay dekh chukay hain iss liye dehaan se yeh nuqta le ker aana...
Aur jahan tak baat hai alfaz ki to yeh aap ne sabit kerna hai k woh alfaz unn k nahi thay balkeh falan shaks ne kahay thay...
or kia Rasool Allah saw ney pen and paper Umar ra sy maanga tha jo unho ney deny sy inkaar kia?? is baat ko bhi sabit kren baki baten baad men
Jahan tak baat hai pen & paper ki baat to mein ne kab kaha k woh hazrat umar se manga ?? kahin mein ne kaha hai aisa ?? Hum to iss per baat ker rahay hain k pen & paper se inkar kis ne kiya aur tauheen ameez alfaz kis ne istemal kiye ??
Yeh to aur bhi batameezi ki baat hui k hazrat umer se to unhon ne manga hi nahi phir itna fasaad kiun kiya aur batameezi kiun ki Rasool Allah saww ki shaan mein...
kia aap samajhty hen k apky Pas Hazrat Ali ra sy ziada ilm hey??
Hazrat ali ra to 5 namazon ki ahlay sunnat ki 5 alag timing sy parhna bta rahy hen woh bhi shia ki mashoor tareen kitaab men. fajar ki alag zohar ki alag magrib ki alag isha ki alag
Issi liye kaha jata hai k bina baat ko samjhay kisi k masla mein nahi ghusna chahiye...
Kiya aap ne meri aur rajput ki sab baatein perhein ya yehi baat perh ker uchal ker ghuss aaye topic mein ??
Yeh aik puranay topic ki baat ho rahi hai janab jis mein hum per yeh etiraz kiya gaya tha k shia ki namaz timings ghalat hain kiun k woh 5 namazein 3 auqat mein perhtay hain...
Uss per baat hui thi aur mein ne yeh sabit kiya tha k iss terha namaz perhna bhi shai hai aur Quran mein bhi 3 timings hain aur hadith se bhi sabit hai k Rasool Allah saww ne madina mein 5 namazein 3 auqaat mein perhein...
Baat yeh ho hi nahi rahi thi k 5 namazein alag alag perhna ghalat hai...
Aur yeh jo aap ne letter quote kiya hai kash k aap iss ko perh ker samajh letay to itna uchaltay huay na atay...
Iss letter mein kahan likha hai k 5 namazein 3 auqat mein perhna ghalat hai ??
Yahan her namaz k baray mein bataya gaya hai k falan waqt tak namaz perh saktay ho,aap phir se zara ghoar se dekh lijiye ga aap ko tasali ho jaye gi yeni yahan end line bataye gaye hai k namaz perhnay ka time iss waqt tak hai yeh nahi kaha k bas issi time per hi perhana werna namaz batil ho jaye gi...
Sirf copy paste kerna aqalmandi nahi hoti meray bhai balkeh uss ko samajhnay ko aqalmandi kehtay hain...
Jaisay mein aap se milnay ka kahon aur aap kahein theek hai tum 5 pm tak mujhay office mein mil saktay ho...ab iss ka matlab yeh nahi hai k exact 5 pm hi milna hai mujhay balkeh end line 5 pm hai,uss se pehlay bhi mila ja sakta hai...
Aur yeh title bana dena k shia book se falan cheez yeh ochay loagon ka kaam hota hai meray bhai k jin ko pata hota hai k hamari post mein to koi ahm baat nahi iss liye sirf title se hi kaam chalaya jaye,mein ne aap ko pehlay bhi naseehat ki thi k iss se aap ki shaksiat kamzor nazar aati hai iss liye koshish kiya karein k title per zoar denay k bajaye post per zoar diya karein ta k koi kaam ki baat bhi likh sakein...
Kher aap ne muttah per baat ki aur aap ne kaha k iss se inkar nahi k muttah halal tha,aap mujhay bataein ge muttah halal kaisay hua tha Rasool Allah saww k doar mein aur phir haram kaisay hua ??
Aur dosri baat aap ne sharab ki misaal di k woh bhi Islam se pehlay pi jati thi aur woh Islam mein haram hui aahista aahista...
Chalein aap ki yeh misaal hum maan letay hain lakin meray bhai aap ne tarikh perhi ho gi,uss se sabit hota hai k Islam se pehlay sharab loag piya kertay thay balkeh adat bun chuki thi loagon ki iss liye mukhtalif tareekon se mein sharab haram hoti gaye,kiya kisi tarikh mein yeh bhi likha hai k Islam se pehlay Makkah o Madina mein muttah bhi hota tha ??
Mein ne abhi tak nahi perha shayed tarikh itni tawajoh se nahi perhi mein ne lakin aap ne tawajoh s eperhi tabhi to aap ko ilm hai pls yeh mujhay zaroor bata dein...
Ab muttah Rasool Allah saww k doar mein halal tha to zahir hai sahaba ne muttah kiya bhi ho ga aur yeh bhi kaha ja sakta hai k uss se aulad bhi hui ho gi to jab tak muttah halal tha woh aulad bhi halal hui aur jab muttah hi haram ho gaya to uss se jo aulad paida hui ho gi woh bhi to haram hi ho gaye ho gi...aap kiya kehtay hain iss baray mein ??
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reply krny sy pahly meri post gor sy parh lia kro.. meny kaha hy k abhi men is baray men baat nahi kr rha k Mutah kub haraam hua.. jub baat krun ga to shia books sy sabit bhi kr dun ga is liay jub Mutah pr baat ho to wahan yeh apni takreer krna phir in sub ka jawab bhi mil jaye ga . takreer krny sy pahly reply gor sy parh lia kro .
Aur jahan tak baat hai asma bint abi bakar ki to meray bhai aap khud se perh lein k aap ki books mein kiya likha hai uss baray mein..
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yeh to halat hy jo cheez puchi thi uska jawab dia nahi or jo cheez puchi nahi thi us per itni lambi takreer ki hui hy... is liay kehrha hun k koi jawab deny sy pahly post pr lia kro k uska sawal kia bhi hy ya nahi...
books men kia likah hy or men parhon ya nahi parhon woh alag baat hy aapny zikar kia to meny sawal kia k kia yeh baat aesy hui hy??
men Asma ra wali baat pr dubara aata hun ....
'' mujhy sirf yeh puchan hy k kia Asma Ra sy ksi ney pucha tha k aap ney mutah kia tha ya krtin thin jis pr unhon ny jawab dia ho k han meny mutah kia tha ya men mutah krti thi .. ya ksi or sahabi ney kaha hy k Asma RA ney mutah kia ya woh mutah krtin thin???''
Wahh kiya daleel laaye hain,kiya Islam lanay k baad bhi uss ki utni hi ahmiat hai ?? phir aap Quran ko choar ker hazrat umar ki terha toraat hi ki tilawat kiun nahi shuru ker detay ??
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reply krny sy pahly meri baat sahi tarhan parh lia kro.. torah ki ahmiat ki baat nahi ho rahi usky parhny sy aapny jo yahodion sy mohabaat krny ki bhondi taweel ki hy us pr meny yeh 2 sawal kia thy lakin aapny jawab nahi dia..
Yeh mera masla nahi hai k riwayat sahi hai ya ghalat aap ne jitni shia books se riwayat quote kein kiya aap ne sabit kiya tha k yeh riwayat sahi hain ??
Acha chalein agar aap yeh mantay hain k hazrat umar bhagay nahi thay aur muqabla kiya tha to aap mujhay unn maqtoolon k naam bata dein jinhain hazrat umar ne qatal kiya...
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acha chalo riwayat dikhao . sahi ya galat ki baad men baat kr len gen. or jo baat kahi hy usi pr raho abhi ab bahany nahi tarasho k bahagy nahi thy to kon sy kafir maray .. ksi ko qatal krny ki baat nahi ho rahi jung sy bhagny ki baat ho rahi hy . ................................................................................................................
Aur jahan tak baat hai alfaz ki to yeh aap ne sabit kerna hai k woh alfaz unn k nahi thay balkeh falan shaks ne kahay thay...
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ilzaam kisny lagaya tha k Umar RA ney yeh alfaaz keh kr Gustakhi ki ??? meny ya aapny?? to is ilzaam ko sabit kisny krna hy?? .
apny jhotay ilzaam ka sabut do k kis riwayat men likah hy k yeh lafz hazrat Umar ra ney kaha tha..
Jahan tak baat hai pen & paper ki baat to mein ne kab kaha k woh hazrat umar se manga ?? kahin mein ne kaha hai aisa ?? Hum to iss per baat ker rahay hain k pen & paper se inkar kis ne kiya aur tauheen ameez alfaz kis ne istemal kiye ??
Yeh to aur bhi batameezi ki baat hui k hazrat umer se to unhon ne manga hi nahi phir itna fasaad kiun kiya aur batameezi kiun ki Rasool Allah saww ki shaan mein.
Reply. to aap yeh maanty hen k Umar ra sy pen and paper nahi maanga tha.. jub un sy maanga nahi tha to unho ny inkaar kesy kr dia ???? aapny kaha na k Umar ra ney inkaar kr dia tha.. woh inkar dikhao k kahan Umar ra ney kaha k men nahi la raha pen and paper ..
Baat yeh ho hi nahi rahi thi k 5 namazein alag alag perhna ghalat hai...
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han to phir aapny kabhi ksi Shia imam ko 5 namazon ki jamaat is letter k time k mutabik alag alag parhaty huy kitni baar dekah hy?? kiun k letter men namaz ki jamaat krwanay k time btay huay hen
Aur aap k ilm ul rijal k ulma ne saif bin umer ko zandeeq kaha hai aur phir bhi aap aik zandeeq ki book se ref. le ker apni tarikh ko mashk kertay rahay...
Tareekh ko maskh baad men aanay walay shia scholar ney kia hy.. or Abdulllah ibn saba ka zikar sirf akelay Saif bin Umer ney nahi kia jo usky jhoty hony sy yeh kirdaar jhota bn jaye ga.. isya doosron ny bhi zikar kia hy jo hamaray rijaal men Siqa hen
Sab se pehlay tabari ne shirarat ki aur uss k baad yeh riwayat zamana ba zamana books mein aati rahi khua woh shia books hon ya sunni books hon magar tabari se pehlay mera nahi khayal k aap kisi tarikh ki book mein ibn saba ka zikr pao ge...
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yeh sharat nahi sachae hy jo aapky Masoom Imamo ney bhi kahi or pahly k shia scholar ney bhi kahi.. yeh ibn saba sirf Saif ki riwayaton sy sabit nahi hy or sirf Suni books hi men nahi hy balky Shia k apny Ounchy darjay k Sachya or Sika moarikh sy sabit hy ... yakeen na aae to hawala paish kr dun ga or jo Ibn saba ki baat kr rha ho ga usy Shia k apny ilm ul rijaal sy Siqa bhi sabit kr k dikkah dun ga
reply krny sy pahly meri post gor sy parh lia kro.. meny kaha hy k abhi men is baray men baat nahi kr rha k Mutah kub haraam hua.. jub baat krun ga to shia books sy sabit bhi kr dun ga is liay jub Mutah pr baat ho to wahan yeh apni takreer krna phir in sub ka jawab bhi mil jaye ga . takreer krny sy pahly reply gor sy parh lia kro .
MashAllah jhoot bhi ab dhatai se bolnay lag gaye hain :P
Rasool Allah SAW k dor men mutah krny ka ksi sunni ny inkaar nahi kia mutah pahly sy tha or Rasool Allah saw ney mukhtalif waqt men uski ijazat bhi di lakin Aap SAW ney hi usy haraam karaar dy dia is liay Rasool Allah saw k dor men ksi k mutah krny sy Mutah sabit nahi hota .. Sharaab bhi pahly sy thi or usy kuch log pitay bhi thy or ek dam sy haram bhi nahi hui thi . baad men ja kr Haaam hui .....
Yeh poora paragraph aap ne shayed muttah ki hurmat per hi likha tha aur ab inkar bhi ker rahay hain ??
yeh to halat hy jo cheez puchi thi uska jawab dia nahi or jo cheez puchi nahi thi us per itni lambi takreer ki hui hy... is liay kehrha hun k koi jawab deny sy pahly post pr lia kro k uska sawal kia bhi hy ya nahi...
Yeh halat hai k baat likh ker khud bhool jatay hain k mein ne aisi koi baat ki bhi nahi hai...
books men kia likah hy or men parhon ya nahi parhon woh alag baat hy aapny zikar kia to meny sawal kia k kia yeh baat aesy hui hy??
men Asma ra wali baat pr dubara aata hun ....
'' mujhy sirf yeh puchan hy k kia Asma Ra sy ksi ney pucha tha k aap ney mutah kia tha ya krtin thin jis pr unhon ny jawab dia ho k han meny mutah kia tha ya men mutah krti thi .. ya ksi or sahabi ney kaha hy k Asma RA ney mutah kia ya woh mutah krtin thin???''
Yeh hamara topic hi nahi hai aur na hi aisi baat k aap issue bana ker topic ko roak lein kiun k hamari baat iss per ho rahi hai k asma ne muttah kiya ya nahi kiya agar aap ko iss baat per etiraz hai to le aaein koi aisi riwayat jis mein unhon ne kaha ho k yeh opposition ka propaganda hai meray khilaf...
Chalo shabash fazool baaton per aap zidd mat karo kiun k pehlay bhi aap ko bata chuka hon k yeh ohad ka maidan nahi hai k aap ka jab dil chahye ga pahaar per cherh jaein ge...
bus mera kaam ho gya.
Janab iss baat k agay mein ne bhi aik sawal kiya tha shayed aap ki aankhon se ojhal ho jatay hain agar koi sawal karay,mein ne pocha tha k aakhir wajah kiya bani thi yahudion ko nikalnay ki magar aap baat gol ker gaye,umeed kerta hon k aap next post mein jawab zaroor dein ge...
reply krny sy pahly meri baat sahi tarhan parh lia kro.. torah ki ahmiat ki baat nahi ho rahi usky parhny sy aapny jo yahodion sy mohabaat krny ki bhondi taweel ki hy us pr meny yeh 2 sawal kia thy lakin aapny jawab nahi dia..
Janab aap ka sawal bhi bhonda tha aur dosri baat agar aap woh waqiya perhnay ki zehmat ker lein to hazrat umar woh toraat yahudi se hi le ker aaya tha ab koi dushman se le ker to nahi aata aur zahir hai yahudiat ki mohabbat thi tabhi to Rasool Allah saww k samnay beth gaye tilawat kernay...Islam se mohabbat hoti to Quran perhtay aur yaad kertay...unn ki quran se mohabbat ki misaal to mein ne pehlay bhi aap ko de di thi k sahab ko Quran mein tayamum ka hukam hi nahi pata tha,zahir hai toraat ko chortay to quran ko perhtay aur quran perhnay ki zehmat kertay to Quran mein likha samajh bhi aata...
acha chalo riwayat dikhao . sahi ya galat ki baad men baat kr len gen. or jo baat kahi hy usi pr raho abhi ab bahany nahi tarasho k bahagy nahi thy to kon sy kafir maray .. ksi ko qatal krny ki baat nahi ho rahi jung sy bhagny ki baat ho rahi hy .
Ab jo sawal mein ne kiya hai uss ka jawab bhi aap ko dena paray ga agar aap hazrat umar k bhagnay se inkar kerein ge kiun k jang mein 2 hi suratein hoti hain ya maaro ya marr jao aur agar yeh dono hi na hoon to hazrat umar ki terha pahaar per cherh jao...ab agar hazrat umar pahaar per nahi cherhay thay to phir aap mujhay unn maqtoolon k naam bata do jo hazrat umar k hathon qatal huay..ab na hazrat umar bhagay aur na hi kisi kafir k hathon qatal huay aur na hi kisi kafir ko qatal kiya to aap hi bata do k phir hazrat umar jang mein kertay kiya rahay thay ??
ilzaam kisny lagaya tha k Umar RA ney yeh alfaaz keh kr Gustakhi ki ??? meny ya aapny?? to is ilzaam ko sabit kisny krna hy?? .
apny jhotay ilzaam ka sabut do k kis riwayat men likah hy k yeh lafz hazrat Umar ra ney kaha tha..
Yeh sahih bukhari ka scan page hai jis mein yeh waqiya likha hua hai goah k iss hadith mein hazrat umar ka naam likha gaya lakin bukhari ki baaqi ahadees mein hazrat umar ka naam mojood hai aur neechay sherah mein uss tuaheen amaiz lafz ka matlab bhi likha hua hai aur jis ne shaan mein gustakhi ki uss ka naam bhi darj hai...
to aap yeh maanty hen k Umar ra sy pen and paper nahi maanga tha.. jub un sy maanga nahi tha to unho ny inkaar kesy kr dia ???? aapny kaha na k Umar ra ney inkaar kr dia tha.. woh inkar dikhao k kahan Umar ra ney kaha k men nahi la raha pen and paper ..
Mein ne kahan likha k Rasool Allah saww ne hazrat umar ko khaas ker kaha ??
Balkeh yahan baat yeh ho rahi hai k Rasool Allah saww k pen aur paper mangnay per hazrat umar ne tauheen ki aur kaha k inn ko Naozbillah hizyan ho gaya yeni yeh beemari ki shidat mein behouda kalaam keh rahay hain MaazAllah...aur kaha k hamaray liye Quran hi kafi hai...
han to phir aapny kabhi ksi Shia imam ko 5 namazon ki jamaat is letter k time k mutabik alag alag parhaty huy kitni baar dekah hy?? kiun k letter men namaz ki jamaat krwanay k time btay huay hen
Aap pehlay letter se yeh to sabit karo k Mola Ali a.s ne 5 namazein alag alag timing per perhnay ka hukam diya...
Mein ne pehlay hi aap ki baat ko ghalat sabit ker diya hai kiun k yahan sirf end line ki baat ki gaye hai :P
K aap iss time tak falan namaz perh saktay ho uss k baad nahi,yahan kahin bhi yeh nahi likha k 5 namazon ko alag alag perhna ho ga aur agar 5 namazein alag alag perhna itna hi important tha to Quran mein sirf 3 timings kiun bataye gaye hain ??
Tareekh ko maskh baad men aanay walay shia scholar ney kia hy.. or Abdulllah ibn saba ka zikar sirf akelay Saif bin Umer ney nahi kia jo usky jhoty hony sy yeh kirdaar jhota bn jaye ga.. isya doosron ny bhi zikar kia hy jo hamaray rijaal men Siqa hen
Aap batana pasand karein ge aur kin kin ne ibn saba ka zikr kiya hai ??
aur aap ne meri baat ka jawab nahi diya k masoodi aur ibn saad ne ibn saba ka zikr kiun nahi kiya apni tarikh mein ??
yeh sharat nahi sachae hy jo aapky Masoom Imamo ney bhi kahi or pahly k shia scholar ney bhi kahi.. yeh ibn saba sirf Saif ki riwayaton sy sabit nahi hy or sirf Suni books hi men nahi hy balky Shia k apny Ounchy darjay k Sachya or Sika moarikh sy sabit hy ... yakeen na aae to hawala paish kr dun ga or jo Ibn saba ki baat kr rha ho ga usy Shia k apny ilm ul rijaal sy Siqa bhi sabit kr k dikkah dun ga
Kiya masoom Imamon se aap ne khud seuni ya raavion se aap tak pohnchi ??
Ab itni ahadees mojood hain jo jhooti hain to kiya aap uss ka ilzam Rasool Allah saww per lagaein ge ya raavion per ??
Baat kernay se pehlay aap aqal bhi use ker liya karein janab kiun k iss terha aap khud apnay iss asool mein phans jaein ge...
Aur Muarikh khud sacha hota hai zaroori nahi k uss ki her riwayat jo uss ne book likhi ho woh uss ki shaksiat ki wajah se sachi ho aur yehi asool aap k aqeeda mein bhi hai...
yahoodeon k encyclopedia men bhi ibn saba ka zikar hy . wahan bhi yeh baat likhi y k yeh Jew tha or musalman hua
Lagta hai hazrat umar ki terha aap k dil mein bhi yahudion ki mohabbat jaag uthi hai....kiya aap k liye yahudion ka encyclopedia hujjat hai ??
Agar hai to phir aap Allah ka beta bhi mantay hon ge...
ap dono se request hai k topic ko mazeed divert na kre.........apki lmbi lmbi post topic ka satya naas kr chuki hein ap apni behas jari rkhne k liye new topic start kr lay.........thanks
apne jo alamat btai hein in me se ziada tar mere sath hua hai..........aur hota rehta hai........aur mere husband k sath bhi yeh prob rhi hai.
asraat k signs bht se hien laikin inse nijaat ka treeqa btaye k hum kis trah jadoo k assar ko hudper se hutam kr sakty hien aur kaisay pta hculay ga k humse jadoo ka assar hutam horha hai?
jadoo k asraat k sign me aik sign yeh bhi hai k insan napaki ki halat me rehta hai aur safai ka hyaal nahi rkhta........
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