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Hadees Confirmation (1st and 2nd)

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Mr bajwa4u Group: Members  Joined: 24th Nov, 2010  Topic: 10  Post: 227  Age:  25  
Posted on:8th Jan 2012, 10:48am
 

mjy wo thread nhi mil raha

mjy wo thread nhi mil rha jis ma tu e yh sb kiya ha. tm wo thread bata dao jis ma tm ne mutaah k haq ma Quran ayat refer ki thi. aur us ayat ka mafhoom mutaah se jura tha.. ma tmy sabit kr k deta hn
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Posted on:8th Jan 2012, 10:53am
 

bajwa

Woh to kab hi delete ho gaye...

Lakin jab tum ne last time baat ki thi uss waqt delete nahi hui thi shayed...

Lakin uss mein bhi mein ne koi aisi baat nahi ki thi jis se tauheen sabit ho agar hoti to koi na koi zaroor notice leta :P

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Deleted Topic Number 27045 by Mufti

Posted on:15th Jan 2012, 2:00am

 

Hadith Confirmation (second)


Aaj mein aap k samnay 2 ahadees rakhta hoon jinhain perh ker aap bataye ga k inn 2 mein se kon se hadith sahih hai aur kon se jhooti...


1. Hazrat Jabbar r.a se riwayat hai k hazrat umer ne hazrat abu bakar se kaha: Ay Rasool Kareem saww k baad behtareen shaks,to hazrat abu bakar ne kaha agar tu yeh kehta jo mein ne Aap saww ko fermatay suna hai hai k umer se behtar aadmi per suraj taluh nahi hua. (Tirmizi)



2. Rasool Allah saww ne fermaya: Anbiya o Mursaleen k baad abu bakar se afzal aadmi per suraj taluh nahi hua. (Masnad Abd bin Naeem)


Ab pehli hadith mein kaha gaya hai k hazrat umer se behtar shaks per suraj taluh nahi hua aur dosri hadith mein kaha gaya hai k abu bakar se behtar shaks per suraj taluh nahi hua...


Ab yeh to haqeeqat hai k dono ahadees aapas mein mutazad hain...hum agar pehli hadith ko sahih manein to dosri jhooti hadith jhooti sabit hoti hai aur agar dosri ko sahih maanein to pehli hadith jhooti sabit hoti hai...


Ab aap hi faisala karein k dono mein se kon se hadith sahih hai...







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Posted on:26th Jan 2012, 3:54pm
 

@Mufti

Hadith Confirmation (second)


Aaj mein aap k samnay 2 ahadees rakhta hoon jinhain perh ker aap bataye ga k inn 2 mein se kon se hadith sahih hai aur kon se jhooti...


1. Hazrat Jabbar r.a se riwayat hai k hazrat umer ne hazrat abu bakar se kaha: Ay Rasool Kareem saww k baad behtareen shaks,to hazrat abu bakar ne kaha agar tu yeh kehta jo mein ne Aap saww ko fermatay suna hai hai k umer se behtar aadmi per suraj taluh nahi hua. (Tirmizi)



2. Rasool Allah saww ne fermaya: Anbiya o Mursaleen k baad abu bakar se afzal aadmi per suraj taluh nahi hua. (Masnad Abd bin Naeem)


Ab pehli hadith mein kaha gaya hai k hazrat umer se behtar shaks per suraj taluh nahi hua aur dosri hadith mein kaha gaya hai k abu bakar se behtar shaks per suraj taluh nahi hua...


Ab yeh to haqeeqat hai k dono ahadees aapas mein mutazad hain...hum agar pehli hadith ko sahih manein to dosri jhooti hadith jhooti sabit hoti hai aur agar dosri ko sahih maanein to pehli hadith jhooti sabit hoti hai...


Ab aap hi faisala karein k dono mein se kon se hadith sahih hai...


My reply:

mufti sahab mera khayal hy k aapny kabhi apni hadees ki kitabon ko nahi dekha . kiun k aap yun aitraaz nahi krty k ek jhuti hogi ek sachi hogi..

apki apni books main bhi mutazaad hadesain hain .. kabhi time mila to aapsy puchon ga k sachi konsi hy jhuti konsi hy .. khair

aapny jo pahli hadees ka hawala dia hy jo tirmizi ki hy us hadees ko Imam tirmizi nay khud hi Zaeef Karaar dia hy ..

aapny jo dusra hawala dia hy us book ka name to meny kabhi suna hi nahi hy

shayad woh koi book ko magar ksi bhi mashoor book main iska name nahi milta

lakin yeh hadees Kanzal Ummal main hy magar iski Sanad disconnected hay

is liay yeh baat nahi hy k ek Juti ek sahi .. rawion ki chain disconnect hy is liay in alfazon ki garbar ho gae hy......

agar aap Sahi hadees dekhna chahta hain to main yeh baat apko sahi haddes main dikata hun jisa bian krny waly khud Ali ra hain :p


عَنْ مُحَمَّدِ ابْنِالْحَنَفِيَّةِ قَالَ قُلْتُ لأَبِى أَىُّ النَّاسِ خَيْرٌ بَعْدَ رَسُولِ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم قَالَ أَبُو بَكْرٍ . قُلْتُ ثُمَّ مَنْقَالَ ثُمَّ عُمَرُ . وَخَشِيتُ أَنْ يَقُولَ عُثْمَانُ قُلْتُ ثُمَّ أَنْتَ قَالَ مَا أَنَا إِلاَّ رَجُلٌ مِنَ الْمُسْلِمِينَ . }

Ibn Hanafia nay kaha k meny apny walid (Ali ra) say pucha k rasool Allah k baad konsa shaks afzal hay. apny kaha Abu bakar. meny pucha usky baad? aapny kaha phir Umar . mujhy khadsha hua k teesra shaks Usman kahain gain to meny pucha or aap?? aap ny kaha main to ek aam sa banda hun .

Sahih al-Bukhary, Hadith Number:3715,

Hazrat Ali ra nay farmaya k is umat main rasool saw k baad sub say afzal shaks Abu bakar hain usky baad Umar hain or agar teesray ka name bhi puchty ho to btata hun.

Musnad Ahmad 2/185

aesi hi kuch hadeesain Shia kutb main bhi hain jesay

قال علي (ع): وكان أفضلهم في الإسلام كما زعمت وأنصحهم لله ولرسوله الخليفة الصديق والخليفة الفاروق ولعمري أن مكانهما في الإسلام لعظيم وإن المصاب بهما لجرح في الإسلام شديد رحمهما الله وجزاهما بأحسن ما عملاً۔ شرح نهج البلاغة ، ابن الميثم البحراني

Ali [R.A] said: Caliph (of Rasulullah [S.A.W.W]) Abu Bakr [R.A], was the best of in Islam and was the most well-wisher and faithful to Allah and His Messenger. And his Caliph, Caliph Umar Farooq [R.A] was also like the same (as you understood). I swear by my age, that their status in Islam was such a great. And their death caused Islam, a severe shock. May Allah have mercy upon (both of) them, and give them the best reward for their good deeds. [Sharh Nahj Al Balagha, Ibne Maithum Al Bahrani, 31/486]


قول الإمام تقي: لست بمنكر فضل عمر، لكن أبا بكر أفضل من عمر۔ الاحتجاج الطبرسي ، ص 250۔

Imam taqi nay farmaya k main Umar ki fazilat ka munkir nahi hun magar Abu bakr umar say ziada afzal hain.


حضرت رسول صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم ھمیشہ درمیان اصحاب می گفتند ما سبقكم أبو بكر بصوم ولا صلاة ولكن بشیء وقر فی صدره۔ مجالس المومنین (بالفارسية) ، ص 88۔

Rasool saw sahaba ki jamat say farmaya krty thy k Abu bakar ki azmato fazeelat is liay ziada nahi hy k woh namaz parhty hain or rozay rakhty hain balky iski wja who hay jo unky dil main mukhlisi hay.


Mufti Group: Members  Joined: 10th Oct, 2011  Topic: 5  Post: 766  Age:  39  
Posted on:27th Jan 2012, 3:16am
 

Batman1

Meray bhai chalein yeh to aap ne baat asaan ker di k jo mein ne 2 hadith quote ki thein woh aap ne dhaef qarar de dein...yeh masla to solve ho gaya...

Ab aap ne 3 ref. diye hain...unn mein se 2 books mein ne kabhi nahi perhein iss liye mein unn ka jawab nahi de sakta lakin aik jo aap ne ref. diya hai ahtejaaj tabrasi ka to uss ka jawab mein aap ko de deta hoon...

Meray bhai aap aadhi baat perhtay hain aur aadhi baat choar detay hain...Jab k agar aap poori baat perhtay to aap ko pata chalta k yeh fazeelat hai ya kuch aur...shayed aap ka bhi qasoor nahi hai kiun k aap kuch sites se faizyab hotay hain jo aap ko aadhi baat bata ker khush ker detay hain...

Iss ref. mein aik shaks yahya bin aqsam ne aap se aik hadith k baray mein pocha jo hazrat umer k baray mein thi...

Imam Taqi a.s ne jawab diya Mein Umer Ki Fazeelat Ka Munkir Nahi Hon Lakin Abu Bakar Umer Se Afzal Thay Aur Unhon Ne Mimber Per Elaan Kiya Mera Aik Shaitan Hai Jo Mujh Per Aariz Hota Hai Jab Mein Munahrif Ho Jaon To Mujhay Seedha Ker Dena

Ab aap hi mujhay bataein k iss mein kahan se fazeelat aa gaye ??

Agar aap zara samjhein to yeh haqeeqat bayyan ki gaye hai k abu bakar umer se afzal thay aur abu bakar per aik shaitan tha to phir abu bakar jo umer se afzal thay unn per shaitan tha to umer kiya hon ge ??

Mein ne aap se pehlay bhi reuest ki thi k sites se perh ker copy paste kernay se pehlay khud se ref. check ker liya karein ta k baad mein sharamindagi na ho...

Ab kiun k aap jis site se ref. copy kertay hain woh ghalat quote kertay hain iss liye aap ne jo 2 aur ref. diye hain unn ki uss waqt tak koi ahmiat nahi jab tak aap scan pages nahi dikhaein ge...Kiun k aap k ref. se sabit ho chuka hai k aap aadhi baat quote kertay hain ya baat ko ghalat quote kertay hain...

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Posted on:28th Jan 2012, 1:21pm
 

@ mufti

wah ji wah apny to ek teer sy 2 shikaar kr diay yani ek hadees k reply say mery baki k references bhi batil kr diay.... kia kehny hain aapky

janaab aapny shor to aesay machaya tha k jesy meny pta nahi kia baat chupa di thi or aapny woh baat yahan sub k samnay bian kr k mujhy sharmindagi say hm kinaar kr dia.. men to samajh raha tha k aap aesa inkashaaf karny lagaiy hain jo hila kr rakh day ga..

or kia door ki koori dhund kr laye hain aap.. aapny kaha k aadhi baat likhi hy or adhi baat nahi or jo chupaya tha us say fazilat nahi balky kuch or hi sabit hota hy to chalain zara aapki kahi hui baki ki baat ko hi discus krty hain

pahly zara puri baat likh dun

Yahya ibn Aksam nay pucha k is hadees k baray main apka kia khayal hay k Sakoon o araam Umar RA ki zubaan say jari hota hay . ( yani k umar ra ki is fazilat k baray main jo yeh hadees hy is k baray main aap kia kehty hain)

Imam Taqi ra nay farmaya k main Umar ki FAZEELAT ka munkar nahihun lakin Abu bakar Umar say AFZAL thy or unhon nay mimber per ailaan kia mera ek shaitaan hy jo mujh pr ariz hota hy jub main munharif ho jaun to mujhy sidha kr dena ..

mufti sahab koi bhi ankhon wala yeh baat parhay ga to usay pta chal jay ga k afzal kisay kaha hy or fazeelat ki baat ki hy ya nahi ....
aab aatay hain dusri baat ki taraf to Shaitaan to sub k sath hota hay.. Abu bakar koi Khuda to nahi thy jo shaitaan unhy bhekanay ki koshis na karay.. to is main aesi konsi anokhi baat hy?? or unhon nay mimber ki position pr hony k bawajud kaha k jub main munharif ho jaun yani agar koi Islam k khilaf kaam krun to mujhy sidha kr dena matab rokna.. is say ziada sincere or honest admi kia hoga jo is seat pr beth kr bhi keh rha hy k mujhy galti krny par pakarna rokna....
na k yeh kaha k main jo marzi krun mujhy koi mna mat karay kiun k main koi galat kaam nahi kr sakta....

aaj koi sadar ya wazeer kahy ga k agar main corruption krun to mujhy pakar lena???
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Posted on:28th Jan 2012, 1:56pm
 

meray sahaba sitaron ki manind

mufti sahab yeh sitaron wali hadees apki aqal ki kasoti pr puri nahi utri is waja sy yeh zaeef nahi hy balkay sanad ki waja say zaeef hay.

ab zra apki logic ki baat bhi kr dun aapny ek memebr ko reply kia tha k

(Aap ne phir aik aisi hadith ki jo logically ghalat sabit hoti hai...

Agar hum asmaan k sitaron ki teraf dekhein to puranay loag sitaron ki madad se safar kiya kertay thay aur agar woh kabhi ghalat sitaray ko follow ker letay to raah bhatak jatay thay :P

Aisi hadith ko perh ker saaf lagta hai k yeh kisi aisay shaks ne banaye hai jis k paas itna ilm nahi hai...)

mufti ab yeh btain k aapki jo mashoor kitaab 14 SITARAY hay un sitaron say kia muraad hay?? RAsool saw say lay kr 12th Imam hain na is say muraad to us kitaab k musanif ko to yeh baat samajh nahi aae k sitaray to raah bhatka detay hain gumrah kr deta hain or gir jatay hain to in hastion ko sirtaray say kiun tashbhee di jab k sitaray is mayar k nahi hoty ... or yeh hi nahi isi musanif ny ek or kitaab 72 SITARAY bhi likh di .... aapka jawab yeh hi hoga na k yeh tamaam hastian darakhan sitaron ki maanind thin or aesy sitaray thy jo islam ki raah dikhlatay thy to yeh isi nazar say aapny hamari sitaron wali hadees ko kiun nahi dekha?? or apko us main to saaf lagta hay k isko bnanay walay k paas ilm nahi tha... magar apky musanif to kitabon k name hi sitaron say mansoob kr gaye..

phir aapn kaha k

(Kher aap ko aik aur baat bhi bata doon...

Aap ne shayed kabhi Abdul Rehman bin udais balavi ka naam suna hai ??

Shayed nahi suna ho ga...

Lakin agar aap history perhein to jin loagon ne hazrat usman k ghar ka ghairao kiya tha aur qatal kiya tha...

Udais balavi unn loagon ka leader tha jo egypt se aaye thay bohat hi common baat hai aap kisi bhi history book mein perh saktay hain...

Lakin sab se important baat yeh hai k woh aik sahabi Rasool saww tha...

Tabqaat ibn saad mein likha hai k yeh sahabi Rasool saww thay aur kafi ahadees k raavi bhi hain...

Tarikh ibn masoodi mein likha hai k ibn udais balavi sahabi Rasool saww hai aur Bait shajra jisay Bait Rizwan bhi kehtay hain uss mein bhi shamil tha...

Iss k ilawa bhi bohat se history writers ne iss ki tasdeeq ki hai...)

mufti sahab pahly to aap sahi sanad say ibn balavi ki hazrat Usman ra ki shahadat main shamoliat sabit karain baad main dekhain gain k kia krna hay

kiun k jo bhi aesi riwayat hain un main ek jhuta rawi Al wakidi hay .

or dusri baat yeh k Sahabh Masoom nahi mahfooz hoty hain or urnki ksi galat baat pr attat nahi ki jati or sahabion k bhi darjay hoty hain ..

hadees ka matlab yeh nahi hy k ksi sahabi ny agar aesa kuch kia to unki pairvi main tum bhi aesa kr jao.. balkay sahabah k sahi kaam ki pairwi kro..






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Posted on:28th Jan 2012, 2:18pm
 

I need references


Mufti:

Ab agar mein wohi aflaz yahan likhon jo hazrat umer ne kahay aur jo bukhari mein mojood hain to yahan forna tauheen ka fatwa lag jaye ga...

Kiya bukhari mein hazrat umer ne Mola Ali a.s aur hazrat abbas k samnay yeh nahi kaha k tum hazrat abu bakar ko bhi ghasib,choar aur jhoota samajhtay thay aur mujhay bhi yehi samajhtay ho ??


my reply

konsay alfaaz???? mujhy hawala dain bukhari ka pura

or bukhari ki is dusri hadees ka bhi hawala dain.. mujh iska nahi pta

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Posted on:28th Jan 2012, 2:32pm
 

Batman1

Imam Taqi ra nay farmaya k main Umar ki FAZEELAT ka munkar nahihun lakin Abu bakar Umar say AFZAL thy or unhon nay mimber per ailaan kia mera ek shaitaan hy jo mujh pr ariz hota hy jub main munharif ho jaun to mujhy sidha kr dena ..

Dekhein janab mujhay laga k aap asani se baat samajh jaein ge lakin aisa nahi hai...

Imam Taqi a.s ne kaha k mein umar ki fazeelat ka qail hon lakin abu bakar umar say afzal thay...

Ab yahan per hazrat abu bakar ki fazeelat bata rahay hain k unn k dil mein unn ki kitni fazeelat hai...

Unhon ne kaha k hazrat abu bakar ne mimber per beth ker kaha k mera ek shaitan hai jo mujh per ariz ho jata hai...

Ab shaitan sath mein hona aur ariz hona 2 alag baatein hain meray bhai...

Ab mein aap ko batata hoon quran se k Allah ne iss masla per kiya kaha hai...

Surah Zakhraf verse 36-37 :- Aur Jo Bhi Ghafalat Beratata Hai Rehman K Zikr Se To Musalat Ker Detay Hain Hum Uss Per Aik Shaitan Phir Wohi Hota Hai Iss Ka Rafeeq.Aur Yeh Shaitan Roktay Rehtay Hain Unn Loagon Ko Raah e Raast Se Jab K Woh Samajhtay Hain K Hum Theek Rastay Per Hain...

Umeed hai ab aap ko kafi hudd tak baat samajh aa gaye ho gi...Ab jo sahab hazrat umar se afzal hain unn ki yeh haalat hai to hazrat umar ki kiya haalat ho gi...

Mein kuch nahi kehna chahta kiun k phir sab kehnay lag jatay hain k tauheen ho gaye...kiun k aap ne khud aisi baat ka zikr kiya to mein ne uss baat ko defend kiya hai...

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Posted on:28th Jan 2012, 2:40pm
 

Batman1

mufti ab yeh btain k aapki jo mashoor kitaab 14 SITARAY hay un sitaron say kia muraad hay?? RAsool saw say lay kr 12th Imam hain na is say muraad to us kitaab k musanif ko to yeh baat samajh nahi aae k sitaray to raah bhatka detay hain gumrah kr deta hain or gir jatay hain to in hastion ko sirtaray say kiun tashbhee di jab k sitaray is mayar k nahi hoty ... or yeh hi nahi isi musanif ny ek or kitaab 72 SITARAY bhi likh di .... aapka jawab yeh hi hoga na k yeh tamaam hastian darakhan sitaron ki maanind thin or aesy sitaray thy jo islam ki raah dikhlatay thy to yeh isi nazar say aapny hamari sitaron wali hadees ko kiun nahi dekha?? or apko us main to saaf lagta hay k isko bnanay walay k paas ilm nahi tha... magar apky musanif to kitabon k name hi sitaron say mansoob kr gaye..

Meray bhai aap ne meri post ko shayed ghoar se nahi dekha mein ne yeh nahi kaha k sab sitaray hi gumrah ker detay hain...

Agar hum asmaan k sitaron ki teraf dekhein to puranay loag sitaron ki madad se safar kiya kertay thay aur agar woh kabhi ghalat sitaray ko follow ker letay to raah bhatak jatay thay :P

Ab kuch sitaray aisay bhi hotay hain jo aap ki sahi rehnumai kertay hain aur woh yehi 12 ya 72 sitaray hi hain...

mufti sahab pahly to aap sahi sanad say ibn balavi ki hazrat Usman ra ki shahadat main shamoliat sabit karain baad main dekhain gain k kia krna hay

kiun k jo bhi aesi riwayat hain un main ek jhuta rawi Al wakidi hay .

or dusri baat yeh k Sahabh Masoom nahi mahfooz hoty hain or urnki ksi galat baat pr attat nahi ki jati or sahabion k bhi darjay hoty hain .. 

hadees ka matlab yeh nahi hy k ksi sahabi ny agar aesa kuch kia to unki pairvi main tum bhi aesa kr jao.. balkay sahabah k sahi kaam ki pairwi kro..

Janab yeh kaam mera nahi hai k mein sanad sahih ya dhaef sabit karon yeh aap ka kaam hai k aap dhaef sabit karein...

Uss k baad mein aap se pochon ga k kon se waqiya ki sanad dhaef hai aur kon se waqiya ka raavi wakidi hai...

Dosri baat hadith mein yeh kahin nahi likha k sahaba aisay sitaray hain k jab tak aap ko sahih raah per chala rahay hon to unn ko follow kerna aur khud ghalat rastay per chal rahay hon to follow na kerna...kiya itni detail likhi hui hai hadith mein ??

Aur waisay bhi mein ne woh hadith sanad se bhi dhaef sabit ker di thi...

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Posted on:29th Jan 2012, 1:16pm
 

Batman1

حضرت رسول صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم ھمیشہ درمیان اصحاب می گفتند ما سبقكم أبو بكر بصوم ولا صلاة ولكن بشیء وقر فی صدره۔ مجالس المومنین (بالفارسية) ، ص 88۔
Rasool saw sahaba ki jamat say farmaya krty thy k Abu bakar ki azmato fazeelat is liay ziada nahi hy k woh namaz parhty hain or rozay rakhty hain balky iski wja who hay jo unky dil main mukhlisi hay.


Meray bhai agar aap k paas yeh book mojood hai to mein pochna chahta hoon k iss book k writer kon hain,meray paas aik book mojood hai same name se aur iss book k writer Qazi Noor Ullah Shoustri hain...kiya aap issi book ka ref. de rahay hain ya yeh koi aur book hai...

Agar yehi book hai to pls iss ka urdu edition ka ref. de dein kiun k meray paas farsi edition nahi aur yeh bhi bata dein k ref. kon se majlis mein hai ??

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Posted on:2nd Feb 2012, 7:06pm
 

@ mufti

g yeh Qazi noorullah shostri ki hi book hy.
teesri majlis hy . mery pas farsi hi main hy . woh hi dikha sakta hun
shaitaan wali baat ka jawa dun ga time nikaal kr
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Posted on:3rd Feb 2012, 5:24am
 

Batman1

g yeh Qazi noorullah shostri ki hi book hy.teesri majlis hy . mery pas farsi hi main hy . woh hi dikha sakta hun

shaitaan wali baat ka jawa dun ga time nikaal kr


Koi masla nahi jab bhi aap k paas time ho aap reply ker dijiye ga...

Aur aap ne bataya k yeh ref. 3rd majlis ka hai...mein ne perhi to hai yeh majlis kafi pehlay lakin kiun k yeh kafi bara topic hai iss liye yeh ref. dhoondna ab mushkil ho raha hai..aap se request hai k aap mujhay thora sa aur ref. de dein k yeh ref. kis hasti k topic mein hai ta k mujhay dhondnay mein mazeed asani ho jaye...

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Posted on:21st Oct 2013, 11:16pm
 

my reply for mufti

Hadees Confirmation (1st and 2nd)

Aaj mein aik bohat hi important topic start kernay ja raha hoon...

Mein ne bohat se ahadees books mein aik hi masla per 2 mukhtalif hadiths dekhein jis se mein khud pareshan ho gaya k iss mein sahih hadith kon se hai aur jhooti hadith kon se hai...

Prophet ordered that all the doors of the houses opening toward the mosque be closed except the door of
Ali's house: Ahmad bin Hanbal in Musnad. Volume I, page 175, Volume II, page 26 and Volume IV, page 369; Imam Abu Abdu'r-Rahman Nisa'i in Sunan

1st hadith jo mein ne quote ki hai k Rasool Allah saww ne sab ashaab k darwaza jo masjid ki teraf khultay thay woh bund kerwa diye siwaye Mola Ali a.s k darwaza k....

"Let no door of the Mosque remain open, except the door of Abu Bakr."

(Sahih Muslim, Volume 5, Book 58, Number 244)

Ab bilkul ussi terha ki dosri hadith mein ne quote ki hai jis mein Mola Ali a.s k bajaye hazrat abu bakar k darwaza ka zikr kiya gaya hai...

Ab mein apnay sab bhaion se pochna chahta hoon k ab inn 2 hadith mein se kon se hadith sahih hai aur kon se jhooti hai ??



main ye to nahi janti k kon c hadees zaef or kon si nahi magar apko refrence deti hon 1 aisi kitaab ka jo seerat un Nabi sallahoalaihiwasalam py likhi gai (bachon k ley na k aapk is criticism ko nazar main rakhtay hue) us kitab ka nam hay seerat un Nabi qadam ba qadam writer ka nam hay Abullah Farani us k chapter "akhri ayaam" k last page py likha hay k jab sahaba karam r.a ko ye mehsoos hua k Hazrat Muhamma sallahoalaihiwasalm kux behtr mehsoos krre hain to sahaba apny gharo ko chalay gay or Hazrat ABU Bakar r.a bhi madina k qareeb "sakh"nami dehaat chalay gay jahan unki 2ri zojah(bivi) ka ghar tha.. umeed hay k ab apki confusion door ho gai ho gi:)
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Posted on:21st Oct 2013, 11:18pm
 

mufti

aap ye book net py search kr k bhi prh saktay hain:)
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Posted on:30th Oct 2013, 8:35am
 

Bint hawa

Aap ne shayed meray sawal ko sahi se samjha nahi,mein bhi yehi keh raha tha k jab hazrat abu bakar madina mein rehtay hi nahi thay to phir unn k ghar ka darwaza masjid ki teraf se kaisay open ho sakta tha aur dosri baat pehli hadith mein likha hua hai k sirf Mola Ali a.s k ghar ka darwaza masjid ki teraf rehnay ki ijazat di aur baki sab k darwaza bund ket diye gaye,jab k dosri hadith mein sirf abu bakar k darwaza k khula rakhnay ki baat ki gaye yeni pehli hadith mein abu bakar ka bhi darwaza bnd ker diya gaya jab k dosri hadith mein Mola Ali a.s k ghar ka darwaza bund ker diya gaya,ab yeh to confirm hai k inn dono ahadees mein se aik hadith jhooti hai,ab aap jo sakh ki baat ker rahi hain to iss ka matlab eh hai k aap bhi maan rahi hain k abu bakar ki fazeelat wali hadith jhooti hai.
Aap ne jo book bataye,woh mein ne nahi perhi aur na kabhi iss writer ka naam suna lakin jo baat ki gaye hai uss mein,uss se mein kafi hudd tak ittefaq kerta hoon k jitni bhi old history books hain jaisay tabari,tabqaat etc...unn sab mein yeh likha gaya hai k hijrat se le ker khalifah bunanay k 6 months tak abu bakar sakh mein hi reha aur uss k baad madina mein rehaish rakhi yeni Rasool Allah saww ki life mein woh madina se bahir aik basti sakh mein hi rehtay thay to phir unn k ghar ia darwaza masjide nabwi mein kaisay khul gaya ??
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