DERWAZAY

pehli bat to yeh k aisi tamam ahadees se imaan main koi feraq nhn perta

lekin problem yeh hai k her hadees ka mafhoom alag liya jat ahai

shiya her mafhoom ko Ali RA se mansoob kertay hain jesa k hadees e qisa main mufti ne khud mana hai k yeh hadees mojud hai bukhari main bhi ya dosoeri books main bhi lekin alag mafhoom k sath

humari bat isi liyay in ko ghalat ya buri lagty hai kiun k hum kisi bhi sahabi ko itna ooper nhn kertay k un k arutba Nabi SAW se berah jai ya Allah k beraber ho jai

Allah ALIM UL GHAYUB HAI

is duniya ka nizam Allah hi chalata hai aur akela chalata hai usay na kisi ki help ki zaruret hai aur na hi us ka koi madad gar hai

aisa bhi nhn k Allah ko apna deen phelanay k liyay kisi ki zaruret thi

Allah ne to yahan tak fermaya hai k

" AI NABI SAW AP KIUN KHUD KO HALKAN KERTAY HAIN AP KA KAM SIRIF PEGHAM POHANCHA DENA HAI IN KO HIDAYET DEN YA NA DEN AMERA KAM HAI"

(tarjuma main koi oonch neech ho to Allah muaf fermain lekin mafhoon yehi hai)

meri buniyadi leraai isi bat per hoti hai sab se k ap jis ko bhi mantay ho mano koi etraz nhn lerkin kiun SAHAB KERAAM ko bura kaha jai

jin k liyay ap k daway hain k woh duniya ka nizam chalatay hain to kis terah un ka haq ghasab kiya kisi ne?

kya NABI SAW, ALLAH itnay kamzor thay ( nauz o biLLAH k kisi ko bhi haq ghasab kernay diya)

aur kis ne yeh fesla kerna hai k kon afzal hai ya kon nhn

Nabi SAW k sab sahaba ka muamla Allah k sath hai hum kon hain kisi ko sahi ya ghalat kehnay walay

aj kal kisi bhi ghatiya se insan ko bura kah ajai to sab kood atay hain k ji meray huway ko bura na kaho

lekin sahab keraam aur umahaat ul momineen ki shan main laga tar gustakhi ki jati hai au rkoi nhn bolta

AGER YEH HADEES MAN LI JAI K SAB DERWAZAY BAND KER DIYAY JAIN ILAWA ALI RA K DEWAZAY K TO IS SE KYA SABIT HUWA?

AUR AGER YEH MAN LIYA JAI K SAB DERWAZAY BAND KER DIYAY JAIN ILAWA ABU BAKAR RA K DEWAZAY K TO IS SE KYA HASIL?

JAB NABI SA MERZ UL MOAT MAIN THAY TO KON UN KI JAGAH NAMAZ PERHATA THA

KON THA JO NAMAZ PERHA RAHA TAH AUR NABI SAW APNAY HUJRA SE TASHREEF LAAI AUR NAMAZ PERHANAY WALAY NE APNI JAGAH CHORNI CHAHI TAKAY AAP SAW IMAMAT KERWA SAKAIN TO AP SAW NE ISHARA SE RUKAY REHNAY KA KAHA AUR BERABER BETH KER NAMAZ PERHI KIUN K NABI SAW KISI INSAN KI IQTIDA MAIN NAMAZ NHN PERAH SAKTAY THAY

WOH AZEEM HUSTY ABU BAKAR RA KI THI

YANI NABI SAW KI MERAS UN KI IMAMAT KI JAGAH AAP SAW NE APNI ZINDAGI MAIN HI JISAY SONP DI USI KO HAQ THA K UN K BAAD KHILAFAT KERAY

lekin her 2-4 din k baad koi ais atopic nikala jat ahai jo k leraai ka baes banay

meray nazdeek dono hadeeson ka deen s ekoi taluq nhn

is k ilawa aik aur bat ahadees ki kitabon main hazaron aisi hadeesain hain, riwayat hain jin k baray confirm hai k yeh MOZU hain lekin unhain nhn nikala jata

hadees sirif wohi eham hai jo deen k aisay masail per behas keray jin ka taluq insani zindagi se hai

kiun k Quran insan ko Allah ki merzi k mutabiq zinda rehna sikhata hai na

mufti

moderators ki herkaton per nara zhonay ki zaruret nhn

kiun k pehlay main samjhta tha k moderator bohat educated log hotay hon gay lekin ab pata chal chuka hai k koi bhi thori bohat ------- ker k powers le leta hai

is liyay ap kisi bhi moderator note per itna naraz a hon

:):):)

wehshi

shiya her mafhoom ko Ali RA se mansoob kertay hain jesa k hadees e qisa main mufti ne khud mana hai k yeh hadees mojud hai bukhari main bhi ya dosoeri books main bhi lekin alag mafhoom k sath

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Sab se pehlay to mein aap ki iss baat ka jawab de doon k aap 2 alag topics ko mix ker gaye hain...

Jis hadith ka mein ne yeh reply kiya tha to woh hadith kisa hai aur woh dosray topic per baat ki thi,umeed hai aap iss confussion ko clear ker lein ge...

Ab baat aati hai k Darwaza wali hadith ki ho sakta hai aap ko iss mein kisi ki fazeelat nazar na aaye lakin aap bataein k agar iss mein fazeelat nahi thi to phir yeh waqiya kiun paish aaya ??

Kiya Rasool Allah saww k kaam hikmat k bina hotay hain ??

Ab iss baat ka jawab aap dein ge to InshAllah baat agay berhay gi...

Aur meray bhai agar fazeelat nahi bunti thi to phir Mola Ali a.s wali hadith k muqabla mein aik aur hadith kiun gharri gaye ??

Aakhir jis ne bhi yeh banai uss ne mazzaq mein to nahi banaye ho gi,zahir hai uss ne bhi koi fazeelat dekhi ho gi to uss k muqabla mein yeh jhooti hadith banaye gaye...

Dosri baat aati hai namaz ki to meray bhai aap ne aik baat to achi kahi k Nabi kisi ummati ki iqteda mein namaz nahi perh saktay yehi shia ka aqeeda bhi hai...

Agar aik shaks paish imam k peechay kharay ho ker apni namaz shuru ker de to kiya woh iqteda kehlaye gi ya nahi ??

Zahir hai nahi kehlay gi kiun k uss ne paish imam ki perwi nahi ki...

Lakin wohi shaks agar paish imam k sath khara ho ker waisay hi namaz perhay jaisay paish imam perha raha hai to woh iqteda hi ho gi ya nahi ??

Iqteda hi ho gi phir yahan yeh masla nahi hai k Rasool Allah saww peechay kharay huay ya sath mein kharay huay balkeh etiraz iqteda ka hi hai,aap k aqeeda k mutabiq Rasool Allah saww sath meink haray huay lakin paish imam to phir bhi hazrat abu bakar hi thay to iss se to saaf zahir hai k Rasool Allah saww ne hazrat abu bakar hi ki iqteda mein hi namaz perhi...

Pls iss masla ko clear ker dein...

Aap ne etiraz kiya k kuch loag yahan tauhreen ker rahay hain kuch hastion ki to meray bhai kon ker raha hai ??

Mein to ussi terha naam k sath hazrat likhnay ki koshish kerta hon aap ki hastion k naamon k sath aur agar kahin nahi likha to woh ghalti se nahi likha ho ga werna aksar mein naam k sath hazrat hi likhta hoon...

Ab agar aap yeh kehtay hain k koi ref. de ker tauheen ker raha hai to meray bhai agar aap ki books se ref. denay se tauheen hoti hai to phir sab se pehlay tauheen to aap ki books ne ki hai,hum to sirf woh ref. quote kertay hain... 

wehshi

shukriya mashwara k liye aur waisay mera bhi pehlay yehi khayal tha jo aap ka khayal hai lakin mein bhi aap ki terha iss masla per change ho gaya hon :P

mufti

yehi to problem hai k kis ne gheri aur kis ne nhn

yeh baat Allah janta hai

aur jab tak yeh sabit n aho jai k konsi hadees sahi hai koi bat nhn ho sakti aur mera nhn khayal k dono teraf se koi bhi apni hadees ko ghalat manay ga

aik bat aap bhi jantay hain k ager aaj k modren doar main koi aik ghalat hadees sahi wastay k sath kisi bhi book main hadees ki shamil ker de aur pesa kherach ker k usay print kerwa de to kitna ars alagay ga us hadees ko samjhnay main k yeh jhooti hai aur kis terah

is liyay main aisi fazeelat wali ahadees ko iman ka na to hisa samjhta hun n ahi iman k liyay zaruri

kiun k ap k han bhi aur humaray haan bhi aisi ahadees be tahasha sunaai jati hain

ab yeh bhi hai

صحیح مسلم کی حدیث ھے

جلد اول، صفحہ 176 ،177

حدیث # 235، 236 انس بن مالک

حدیث # 237 عدی بن ثابت

حدیث # 238 ابو ہریرہ

حدیث # 239 ابو سعید رضوان اللہ اجمعین

خلاصہ:-

منافق کی نشانی ھے کہ انصار سے بغض رکھے اور مومن انصار سے محبت رکھتا ھے ابو سعید کی روایت میں اضافہ ھے کہ جو انصار سے محبت رکھتا ھے اللہ اس سے محبت رکھتا ھے

زر بن حبیش (اسدی کوفی جو 120-130 کی عمر کو پہنچا جس نے زمانہ جاہلیت بھی دیکھا تھا) نے بیان کیا کہ علی رضی اللہ نے فرمایا کہ

قسم ھے اس کی جس نے دانہ چیرا (کر اس میں سے گھاس اگائی ) اور جان بنائی ' رسول اللہ صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم نی مجھـ سے عہد کیا تھا کہ نہیں محبت رکھے گا مجھـ سے مگر مومن اور نہیں دشمنی رکھے گا مجھـ سے مگر منافق -

Mufti apni asla kr lao

Mufti apni asla kr lao

Mufti apni asla kr lao

Mr. bajwa 4u

Nabi SAW ne kabhi bhi koi ayat ki tanseekh ki

balkay Allah n eQuran main hi dooseri ayat nazil ferma ker pehli ayat k hukam ko mansookh ker diya

Quran main tanseekh ya tasreeh dooseri ayat se hi hoti hai

Mr bajwa4u

Meray khayal se ab mujhay aap ki posts ka jawab denay ki zaroorat nahi hai kiun k wehshi sahab ne confirm ker di hai meri baat k Quran ki ayat ko sirf ayat hi mansookh ker sakti hai na k koi aur,waisay bhi Nabi ka kaam quran ko hukam ko explain kerna hota hai na k cancel kerna....

Aur aap ne jo 3 posts ki hain woh kiun k aik hi masla per thein jis k confirm honay se aap ki sab posts ka jawab aap ko mil chuka hai...

wehshi

Dekhein jo hadiths mein ne quote ki hain aur jo aap ne ansaar aur Mola Ali a.s mein farq hai...

Meri hadiths mein lafz only ya sirf use hua hai jis ka matlab yeh nikalta hai k unn k siwa koi aur nahi magar jo aap ne quote ki hain uss se aisi koi baat sabit nahi hoti...

Yeh meini lm ul rijjal k ilawa baat ker raha hon ho sakta hai k ilm ul rijjal k mutabiq inn 2 mein se koi 1 hadith dhaef ho lakin matan se dono ahadees aapas se takra nahi rahein...

Lakin DOOR wali dono hadiths aik dosray k mutazad hain...

Aur mein ne apni post mein yeh bhi arz kiya k islamic history books se sabit hota hai k hazrat abu bakar to Madina mein rehtay hi nahi thay phir unn k ghar ka darwaza to masjid mein khulnay ka sawal hi paida nahi hota phir jab darwaza khulta hi nahi tha to iss se sabit hua k yeh hadith dhaef hai...

mufty

ap ki bat sahi hai

main n eyeh ahadees i sliyay shar eki hain yahan takay yeh andaza ho sakay k aisi ahadees ka kitn ahissa ho sakta hai imaan main

k jahan aik sath 4 ahdees ansaar ki afzaliyat ki hain wahan per aik hadees Ali RA k liyay bhi likhi gai lekin kamzor hawalay k sath

yani yeh sab usi doar main huwa jab abhi kitabain likhi ja rahi thin yani logon ne apni teraf se interpretation ki hain bohat si cheezon ki

bilkul wohi bat k ji sterah ap ne kaha tha k mafhoom alag ho sakta hai

is mafhoom ne hi umaat e muslima main tafarqay dalay hain k logon ne apni samjh k mafhoom diyay musalmanon main tafarqa dala

mera ap se aik history ki tasheeh k liyay sawal hai

jesay ap ne kaha k Ali RA ya ehl e bait ka haq ghasab kiya gay to kiun nhn us waqt Ali RA ne awaz buland ki kya aap samjhtay hain k us waqt un ka sath na deta koi jab k ap ki pesh kerda hadees to mojood thi us waqat derwazay wali ab itnay saal bad to theek ap k mutabiq logon ne gher li hadees lekin us waqt tak to sab log jantay thay to kiun na kiya aisa Ali RA ne???

doosera sawal

Husain RA ne jab Yazeeds RhA ki bait kernay se inkar kiya to kiun musalman un k sath nhn chalay yeh sawal is liyay bhi zaruri hai kiun k yahan bhi aisi abhaas main yeh sawal uthata hai au rhumaray pass koi jawab nhn hota

aik labnani ne mujh se yeh poocha jo k eesaai tha lekin meray pass koi jawab nhn tha i sper

isi liyay ap se pooch rah ahun takay ainda k liyay jawab ho

Mufti ma ne bat refrence se ki ha.

refer to 2nd post

Mufti

wehshi

Dekhein bhai yeh to sab hi mantay hain k Rasool Allah saww k ferman mein bohat hi hikmat hoti hai yeh alag baat hai k shayed humein samajh na aaye ya samajh na sakein...

Ab Rasool Allah saww ne fermaya k Ay Ali! Tumhari nisbat mujh se waisi hi hai jaisay Moosa a.s ko Haroun a.s se thi...

Yeh hadith aap ne bohat dafa perhi ho gi mein ne bhi perhi lakin kabhi insan ko samajh nahi aati jab tak k koi point bataye na...

Ab iss hadith ki kiya wajah ho gi...

Aap dekhein k Hazrat Moosa a.s ko Allah ne 30 din k liye koah tour per bulaya aur phir 10 din ka izafa ferma diya lakin jaisay hi Hazrat Moosa a.s wapas aaye to bohat hi kam loag aisay thay jo haq per reh gaye thay werna aksariat samri ki parokar bun chuki thi...

Aur yeh to her nabi ki ummat ki riwayat thi jaisay hi nabi iss duniya se gaye ummat ne foran deen ko choar diya...

Aur jin ko authority bana ker gaye thay unn ko maananay se inkar ker diya,yehi situation Rasool Allah saww ki ummat k sath bhi hui...

Aur meray bhai aap kis terha awaz buland kernay ko kehtay hain ??

Haq agar fadak ki baat karein to bhai kiya Bibi Fatima a.s hazrat abu bakar k paas nahi gaein ??

kiya Bibi Fatima a.s issi masla per unn se naraz ho ker iss duniya se nahi chali gaein kiya unn k janaza ka hazrat abu bakar ko ilm tha ??

Yeh baat aap sahih bukhari mein perh saktay hain...

Kiya Mola Ali a.s ne her forum per ahtijaaj nahi kiya bhai ??

Khilafat k baray mein bhi aur wirasat k baray mein bhi...

Ab agar mein wohi aflaz yahan likhon jo hazrat umer ne kahay aur jo bukhari mein mojood hain to yahan forna tauheen ka fatwa lag jaye ga...

Kiya bukhari mein hazrat umer ne Mola Ali a.s aur hazrat abbas k samnay yeh nahi kaha k tum hazrat abu bakar ko bhi ghasib,choar aur jhoota samajhtay thay aur mujhay bhi yehi samajhtay ho ??

Aur kaisay ahtejaaj kertay Mola Ali a.s ??

Aap hazrat umer ki banaye hui shoora ko hi perh lein k Mola Ali a.s ne saad bin abi waqas ko kiya kaha aur abdul rehman bin oaf ko kiya kaha...

Aap ko mein aik waqiya sunata hon jo mein ne aik shia book mein perha tha jo k yaad nahi kon se book thi,goah k yeh ref. aap k liye hujjat nahi kiun k shia book ka ref. hai lakin sirf apni baat samjhanay k liye bata raha hon k aik dafa Mola Ali a.s ghar aaye to unn ki anakhein thori num thein...Bibi Zehra a.s ne wajah pochi to unhon ne k mein loagon k rawaye dekh ker hairan hon k kaisay badal gaye hain loag...

Bibi ne pocha k kiya aap ko woh salam nahi kertay ??

Mola a.s ne jawab diya k agar mein khud bhi salam karon to loag jawab nahi detay balkeh moun pher letay hain...

Aap khud hi dekh lo tarikh perh lo kiya Mola Ali a.s k ghar per attack nahi kiya gaya ??

Aakhir aisa kiya gunnah ho raha tha wahan jo Rasool saww ki beti k ghar ki be-hurmati ki gaye ??

Yeh nafrat hi thi sab jo Rasool Allah saww k baad zahir hui...

Mola Ali a.s se nafrat aur bughz kiun tha loagon ko ??

Sirf iss wajah se k koi aisa ghar nahi tha jin ka 1 ya 2 kisi na kisi jang mein qatal na hua ho to woh apnon ki mohabbat aur bughz e Ali a.s le ker intezar kertay rahay k kab Rasool Allah saww wafat paein aur hum apnay badla le sakein...

Ab Imam Hussain a.s ki baat karon to meray bhai pehli baat to yeh hai k Imam hussain a.s ne apni army banaye hi nahi thi balkeh sirf family k loag aur kuch khaas dost sath mein thay aur jo loag sath chal paray unhain karbala pohnch ker bata diya k mein koi ilaqa fatah kernay nahi ja raha k tum loagonk o maal e ghaneemat milay ga balkeh mein ne yahan per shaheed hona hai iss liye jis ne jana hai chalay jao,jo loag kisi na kisi lalach k sath aaye thay woh to bhaag gaye aur sirf wohi bachay jinhon ne duniya ko tarjeh nahi di...

Loag to tab sath hotay jab woh elaan kertay k aao mein foaj bana raha hon jo yazeed k sath laray gi...

Unhon ne to fatah hasil kernay ka tareeka hi anokha apnaya tha k Islam ki khatir qurban ho jao aur yazeed ko itna gira do k loag apna naam yazeed rakhnay se bhi nafrat karein aur her shaks uss laeen per laanat karay...

Mr bajwa4u

Meray bhai ilm ul rijjal bhi uss waqt istemal kiya jata hai jab koi hadith ka logically solution na nikal raha ho...

Yeh hadith to bina ilm ul rijal k hi dhaef sabit hai...

Aur shayed aap ko ilm na ho k zaroori nahi ksanad sahih ho to matan bhi lazmi hi sahih ho ga balkeh aisa bhi ho sakta hai k sanad to sahih hoti hai magar hadith matan se dhaef sabit hoti hai...

aur yahan bhi yehi masla hai k agar dono hadith sahih hon tab bhi aik na aik hadith matan se dhaef sabit ho gi kiun k dono ahadees aik dosray k mutazad hain...

Mufti

2nd thing