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Mufti
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 Hadees Confirmation (1st and 2nd)
Aaj mein aik bohat hi important topic start kernay ja raha hoon... Mein ne bohat se ahadees books mein aik hi masla per 2 mukhtalif hadiths dekhein jis se mein khud pareshan ho gaya k iss mein sahih hadith kon se hai aur jhooti hadith kon se hai... Prophet ordered that all the doors of the houses opening toward the mosque be closed except the door of
Ali's house: Ahmad bin Hanbal in Musnad. Volume I, page 175, Volume II, page 26 and Volume IV, page 369; Imam Abu Abdu'r-Rahman Nisa'i in Sunan 1st hadith jo mein ne quote ki hai k Rasool Allah saww ne sab ashaab k darwaza jo masjid ki teraf khultay thay woh bund kerwa diye siwaye Mola Ali a.s k darwaza k....
"Let no door of the Mosque remain open, except the door of Abu Bakr."
(Sahih Muslim, Volume 5, Book 58, Number 244) Ab bilkul ussi terha ki dosri hadith mein ne quote ki hai jis mein Mola Ali a.s k bajaye hazrat abu bakar k darwaza ka zikr kiya gaya hai...
Ab mein apnay sab bhaion se pochna chahta hoon k ab inn 2 hadith mein se kon se hadith sahih hai aur kon se jhooti hai ??
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Mufti
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| Posted on:31st Dec 2011, 4:15am |
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admins
Yaar aap ko kiya problem hai aap hamesha shia members k topics ya to delete ker detay ho ya unn k naam hi change ker detay ho ?? Aakhir THE DOOR rehnay mein kiya qabahat thi jo aap ne change ker diya ?? Kiya hum jahil hain jo aisa naam likhtay hain aur aap ziada aqal rakhtay hain ?? Admins sirf members ko facilitate k liye hotay hain na k unn ko tang kernay k liye... Aap ko yeh haq nahi pohnchta k aap adminship k hotay huay kisi aik firqah ki side lein aur unn ko support karein... Allah ne agar aap ko iss qabil bunaya hai to koshish karein k firqah,nasal o zuban se bala-ter ho ker kaam karein kiun k iss kaam ka bhi aap se hisaab liya jaye ga aik din... Ab agar aap aisi hi herkatein kertay rahay to mein majboor ho jaon ga k iss froum ko choar doon ta k aap k seenay mein jo aag lagi hui hai sach batanay se woh thandi ho jaye... Mod Note: ap iss qism ki dhamki nah dain to behtar hai... threads ki editing /deleting k options Admin k elawah bahoot say hidden mod k pass hai, jinmaiN har maslak k log maujood haiN. agar apko yaa kissi ko jana ho to shauq say jayaiN aur agar rahna ho to shauq say rahaiN... baat baat par admin ko mooraday ilzaam nah daiN. shokarya... waisya bhi admin ko bah khoobi maloom hai k kaun kaun log ketni IDs say yahaan maujood haiN
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Mufti
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| Posted on:31st Dec 2011, 4:59am |
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Mod Note: ap iss qism ki dhamki nah dain to behtar hai... threads ki editing /deleting k options Admin k elawah bahoot say hidden mod k pass hai, jinmaiN har maslak k log maujood haiN. agar apko yaa kissi ko jana ho to shauq say jayaiN aur agar rahna ho to shauq say rahaiN... baat baat par admin ko mooraday ilzaam nah daiN. shokarya... waisya bhi admin ko bah khoobi maloom hai k kaun kaun log ketni IDs say yahaan maujood haiN ------------------------ Edited...irrelevant reply
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Mufti
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| Posted on:31st Dec 2011, 5:01am |
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Mein baat baat per ilzam nahi laga rha balkeh jab aap loagon ki teraf se shirarat hoti hai to tab hi ilzam lagata hoon agar aap loag apni jahiliat ki wajah se jawab denay k bajaye delete/edit karein ge to mera yeh haq hai k mein aap ki authenticity per ungli uthaon... Aur aap bhi dhamki na dein...mein yahan rahon ga bhi to apni merzi se aur jaon ga bhi apni merzi se... Edited...
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Mufti
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| Posted on:31st Dec 2011, 5:14am |
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All Members Mujhay yaqeen tha k yahan per koi bhi jawab nahi de ga kiun k kuch members + hidden admins na khud sach sunana chahtay hain aur na hi yeh chahtay hain k koi aur sach ko sunay... Kher mein ne 2 hadiths quote ki thein jo bilkul aik jaisi thein lakin aik mein Mola Ali a.s ka darwaza khula rakhnay ki baat hui aur dosri mein hazrat abu bakar k darwaza... Ab yeh to baat aik haqeeqat hai k inn 2 hadiths mein se 1 hadith jhooti hai... To chalein dekhtay hain k inn mein se kon se hadith jhooti hai... Ab hadiths k background ko dekthay huay mein yeh kehnay per majboor hon k woh hadith jis mein hazrat abu bakar k darwaza ka zikr hai woh hadith jhooti hai... Ab yeh baat perh ker bohat se loag foran dil mein fatwa lagaein ge k dekha nikala na shia aur bughz mein hazrat abu bakar ki hadith ko jhooti qarar de diya :P Jab k aisa nahi hai...phir yeh hadith kaisay jhooti ho gaye ?? Agar aap history perhein to aap ko meri baat samajhnay mein asani ho gi k hazrat abu bakar ka ghar na to Masjid e Nabwi k nazdeeq tha k darwaza uss teraf khulta aur na hi MADINA mein tha... Ji mein ne yeh apni teraf se nahi kaha balkeh authentic riwayaat se yeh baat sabit hai k hijrat se le ker hazrat abu bakar ki khilafat k 6 months tak woh Madina se nazdeek aik basti/town jis ka naam SUKH tha wahan rehtay thay... Rasool Allah saww se hazrat ayesha ki shaadi bhi wahin hui aur Rasool Allah saww ki wafat k waqt bhi hazrat abu bakar wahin hi raha kertay thay... Ab jin ka ghar hi Madina se bahir tha to yeh kaisay ho sakta hai k unn k ghar ka darwaza Masjid Nabwi k ander khulta ho :P Yeh hadith sirf Mola Ali a.s ki shaan mein hadith k muqabla mein banai gaye ta k Mola Ali a.s ki shaan loagon tak na pohnch sakay aur loag pareshan rahein k aakhir kis ko yeh fazeelat mili Mola Ali a.s ko ya abu bakar ko... |
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 Mufti bhai
yahan aap ki post par moderator note daikh kar writing style sy ba khoobi pata chal raha hay k iss k peechy konsy "hazrat" chupy howy hain , yeh "hazrat" aksar deen ka authentic source quran + hadees ko qarar daity hain par hamaisha hi yeh daikha geya hay k jab b quran wa hadees ki baat ki jarahi hoti hay to uss main shareek hony ki bajye peechy sy war karty hain
inn "hazrat" k nazdeek quran +hadees ka source wohi authentic hay jisy yeh khud quote karain kisi aur member ki tarf sy yahi source biyaan karny par pata nahi inhain aag q lag jaati hay
agar yeh samjhty hain k aap ki post mutenaza hay to phir jahan sy aap ny hadees naqal ki hay uss source ko b mutnaza declare karain ta k logon tak haq ko puhancha sakain
taham main Mufti bhai ko kharaj-e-tehseen paish karta hon k wo baat ko mudalal tareeqa sy biyan kar k yahan history main kiye gaye hair phair ko wazy kar rahy hain , abb b agar koi na samjhy ya na samjhna chahy to hum kia kar sakty hain
haqeeqat ko fitna keh kar ankhain band kar lainy sy haqeeqat nazar andaz nahi ho sakti
mufti bhai aap mod notes ki parwa na karain , balky haq biyan karny ka apna amal jari rakhain ..thanks n jazzak allah |
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| Posted on:31st Dec 2011, 5:40am |
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Diplomate Shukriya bhai k aap ne meri support ki aur aap ne dekha k inn loagon ne topic ka naam kis terha change ker diya jab k uss naam mein koi ghalat baat nahi thi kher InshAllah mein aisay hi inn loagon k samnay haq bayyan kerta rahon ga...iss liye nahi k mujhay apnay ilm ka perchar kerna hai aur ab iss liye bhi nahi k meri baaton se koi haq ko samajh jaye... Balkeh ab mein sirf Atmaam e Hujjat ker raha hoon k uss din jab sab court mein kharay hon ge koi yeh uzar na paish ker sakay k hum to haq pohncha hi nahi to hum haq kaisay samajhtay :P Waisay yeh admin sahab hain kon se walay hain jo aksariat/akliat ki baat kertay hain ya copy paste master ?? |
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Asadel
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| Posted on:31st Dec 2011, 8:11am |
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@Mufti muje es baat se koei gharz nahi k moderators ke kya duties hain ya wuh post ko kun edit kerte hain ya nahi kerte..
muje ap sir yeh batain k farz karain ap ko pata chal jata hai k en main se kon se Hadith sahi hai aur kon se ghalat to us se ap k emaan main kinta ezafa hoga ? aur us se ap ke namzon mian kitni regularity aae ge ? aur us se ap shariat per kitni achi tarah bapand ho pain gy ? aur us se ap k aamaal main kitni istiqamat aur ikhlas aae ga ?
bahi main aur ap kon hote hian Sahabah karaam (R.A.M) main differentiate kerne wale, meri aur ap ke haseeat he kya hai aur muje aur ap ko kya pata Hazrat Ali (k.W) aur Hazrat Abu Bakar Siddiq (R.A) k makam k bare main.
Rasulullah (S.W) ke beshumar Ahadith hain dono Sahabah (Rithwanullah-e-Ajmaheen) k bare main to es tarah ke post kerne ka kya maksad hai ap ka ?
Kiyamat k din Ap se Allah (S.W.H) yeh nahi puche ga k tum batao k kis k door k bare main kaha gya tha k sirf Majid kee taraf khula hona chaheay aur Religion aur culture k forum ka maksad yeh hai k yahan pe wuh mamlaat discuss keay jain jin main logon ko problems hain ya clear nahi hain aesi buhat sari chezain hamare culture main hain jo Islam k munafi hain to un k bare main agar kisi ko koei authentic source ka pata hai to wuh byan kya jai ..
Rasulullah Sallallahu Alayhi wasallam ne khud aesi baton se manah farmai hai jo deen main tafarqa peda karain...
To mere bhai ap se ghurazish yeh hai k asi posts kya karaini jin se logon ko ebadaat aur mammlaat ka pata chale na k asi baton ka jin se tafreeq peda ho...
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Asadel Janab sab se asaan baat yeh hai k aap yehi keh ker jaan chura lo k qayamat k din aap se poocha jaye ga ya nahi... Aap kiya samajhtay hain k aap se sirf namaz,zaqat ka hi poocha jaye ga ?? Kiya aap se yeh nahi pocha jaye ga k aik shaks ne ya aik firqah ne Rasool Allah saww per aisi baat thonp di jo unhon ne kahi hi nahi ?? Kiya aap se nahi pocha jaye ga k aap uss jhoot ko sach kiun mantay rahay ?? Aap ki nazar mein yeh mamooli baat hai k sab loagon k door bund ker diye gaye sirf Mola Ali a.s ka door open rehnay diya ?? Aap k liye iss liye mamooli baat hai k woh aap k mizaaj k mutabiq nahi hai agar yahen mein kehta k Mola Ali a.s wali hadith jhooti hai to aap SubhanAllah kehtay na thaktay... Aap per yeh bhi wajib hai k jo Rasool Allah saww ne fermaya ya jo kiya uss ko jano... Aur aap ne kaha k hazrat abu bakar ki shaan mein bohat se ahadees mojood hain... Yehi samjhanay k liye mein ne yeh quote ki k jahan aik hadith jhooti ho sakti hai wahan aur bhi jhooti ahadees banaye gaye hon gi :P Aur mein ne aap se yeh nahi pocha k hum se aakhirat mein iss baray mein pocha jaye ga ya nahi balkeh aap ko sach aur jhoot bataya hai k kon sa jhoot hai aur kon sa sach...aap bajaye k sach ko maanein aur jhoot ka inkar karein aap topic ko dosri teraf le ja rahay hain... |
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| Posted on:31st Dec 2011, 8:54am |
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Mufti Bhai Essa Kiyun?
Me sirf apna experience bata ri hun.wo ye kai.I have never seen or heared any Sunni (Hanfi or Wahabbi) go to such extremes to (God Forbid) put down someone so close to Prophet Muhammad (P.B.U.H) but I always find such activities from Shia people towards all other Kaliphs
I do agree that some of the wahabis pass disgracing remarks for shia people but i have never heared anyone disgrace Hazrat Ali (R.A)
As a human I find it hard to even disgrace a fellow muslim's mother or father.
If you want to do research why not go top find wrongs from Bible and Taurat and Injeel and zubur .We focus too much to bring down eachother's faith than to strngthen eachother on our common points that is why we are failing as a Nation (and I consider Muslims a Nation-Qoum) |
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very good suggestion...maira We focus too much to bring down eachother's faith than to strngthen eachother on our common points that is why we are failing as a Nation (and I consider Muslims a Nation-Qoum)...very good point...i appricate u maira.. |
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| Posted on:31st Dec 2011, 9:02am |
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@ Mufti Sahi muslim ki Hadees sahi hey.. "Let no door of the Mosque remain open, except the door of Abu Bakr." (Sahih Muslim, Volume 5, Book 58, Number 244) |
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Asadel
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| Posted on:31st Dec 2011, 9:05am |
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@Mufti ap aesa karain koei 4 se 5 dafa meri post ko dobara parhain take aap ko samaj aae k main ne kya baat kee hai thora dil se sochain dimag se nahi..
Naoozbillah meri kya majal ya aukaat k main Sahabah(R.A.M) k beech main fark keron ya kisi Sahabi (R.A)k bare main nazoozbillah koei bugz rakon aap ne soch kese lya k yeh baat mere mizaj k mukhalif hai aur agar ap es tarah kehte to naoozbillah main SubhahAllah kehta ap koei nahi hote kisi k bare main judge kerne wale k Sahaba (R.A.M) k bare main us kee muhabeet kesi hai ..
Agar koei Hadith sahi hai ya ghalat es ka faisal mera aur ap ka kaam nahii hai yeh Ulma Karaam ka kaam hai jin k pass Hadith ka ilm hai aur wuh us ilm kee base pe yeh faisal kartain hain k kon se hadeeth sahi hai aur kon se ghalat ..
es leay hamesha soch samaj k baat kya karain kisi ke bare main inti beri baat ap ne itni asani se kese keh dee..
Meri neat to Allah janta hai k main ne kis wajah se yeh post kee the lakin ap ne bata dya hai k ap ka kya maksad tha yeh post kerne ka ..
main kisi bahas main nahi perna chahata main ne apna maksad waize ker dya agar koei aalim es forum pe ho ga to wuh ap ko es bare main zaida wazahat se bata de ga k Hadith ko sahi ya ghalat kehne se pehle achi tarah soch lena chaheay....
Allah hum ko Firqa baazi se mahfooz rakhe (Aameen)
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| Posted on:31st Dec 2011, 9:09am |
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why confusion ksi ney yeh dawa nahi kia k Ahlay sunat ki tamam ki tamam ahadees ki kutub men sari ki sari ahadees sahi hen.. hadess sahi b hoti hey hasan b zaef b or jhuti bhisaha satat ki jo 6 books hen un men b bohot si ahadees chain ya narrator or ksi wja sy zaeef b hoti hen.. albata baki kutub ki nisbat Bukhari and muslim men authentic ahadees hen
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| Posted on:31st Dec 2011, 9:22am |
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mairak Sister aik hadith to aap bhi manti hain k Rasool Allah saww ne fermaya k meri ummat k 72/73 firqa hon ge jis mein se sirf aik naari ho ga... Ab mujhay uss se peechay ziada janay ki zaroorat hi nahi hai sis kiun k sahi firqah Islam mein hi kahin mojood hai jisay hum ne dhondna hai :P Baaki baat yeh hai k hum kiun 3 khulfa k baray mein baat kertay hain aur deobandi/salafi/brelvi kiun nahi baat kertay hamaray Aima a.s k baray mein to uss ki 2 wajohat hain... 1. jitnay bhi sect. aap ne ginwaye unn ki roots aik hi hain yeni imam abu hanifa to jo unn ka aqeeda ho ga woh agay maanein ge lakin phir alag firqah zaroor buntay gaye magar roots wohi rahein... Lakin shia firqah ki roots aur hain jo Ahle Bait a.s ko follow kertay hain... Ab hamari hastion ko bura woh kiun nahi kehtay to sister uss ki sab se bari wajah yeh hai k unn ko unn hastion meink oi burai nazar hi nahi aaye... ahl sunnah k imam sayuti ne tarikh ul khulfa mein shayed imam hakim se aik bohat hi khoobsurat baat likhi hai unhon ne kaha k Ali a.s k dushman ziada thay aur woh koshish kertay rahay k ali a.s mein koi burai dhoondein magar jab woh na-kaam ho gaye to woh unn k sath mil gaye jo Ali a.s k baray dushman thay yeni mawiya etc.. Iss baat se meray khayal se sab kuch clear ho jata hai k loag hamaray aima a.s per etiraz kuin nahi kertay :P |
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Batman Sahi muslim ki Hadees sahi hey.. "Let no door of the Mosque remain open, except the door of Abu Bakr."
(Sahih Muslim, Volume 5, Book 58, Number 244)
---------------------------- Meray bhai meri baat ko samjho...hazrat bau bakar Masjid k nazdeek to kiya Madina mein hi nahi rehtay thay to phir kaisay unn k ghar ka darwaza masjid ki teraf khul sakta hai :P Aur mein ne pehlay bhi arz ki hai k 2 hadithein aik hi jaisi hain jis ka matlab yeh hai k inn mein se 1 hadith dhaef hai aur aik sahih... Agar aap ko yeh sahih lagti hai to sabit karo k kaisay sahih hai aur aap yeh bhi batao k Mola ali a.s wali hadith kaisay dhaef hai.
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Asadl very nice reply...great effort...i appricate u Naoozbillah meri kya majal ya aukaat k main Sahabah(R.A.M) k beech main fark keron ya kisi Sahabi (R.A)k bare main nazoozbillah koei bugz rakon aap ne soch kese lya k yeh baat mere mizaj k mukhalif hai aur agar ap es tarah kehte to naoozbillah main SubhahAllah kehta ap koei nahi hote kisi k bare main judge kerne wale k Sahaba (R.A.M) k bare main us kee muhabeet kesi hai ..
Agar koei Hadith sahi hai ya ghalat es ka faisal mera aur ap ka kaam nahii hai yeh Ulma Karaam ka kaam hai jin k pass Hadith ka ilm hai aur wuh us ilm kee base pe yeh faisal kartain hain k kon se hadeeth sahi hai aur kon se ghalat ..
es leay hamesha soch samaj k baat kya karain kisi ke bare main inti beri baat ap ne itni asani se kese keh dee..
Very nice ...Asadal hamari kiya uqat ha...aagar kissi koo yeah bat samj ajain too pher to bugaz aur tabara bazi say ham bach saktay ha..per kyoo keray gay ham assa ...yahi to sochnay wali bat ha..
Allah hum ko Firqa baazi se mahfooz rakhe (Aameen)..yeah dua ma be kerta hoo...Allah ham sab koo mehfooz rekhay...Ameen
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Goodman Meray bhai ulma k 2 ser nahi hotay aur na hi yeh koi rule hai k haqeeqat sirf ulma hi dhoond saktay na k aam musalman... aur yehi aap ko limited ker diya gaya hai yeh keh ker k aap ki kiya majaal k aap sahaba k baray mein kuch sochein ya kuch bolein... Kiun k bohat se tareek raston ko yeh kholna hi nahi chahtay... Ajeeb lagta hai jab aap loag yeh dialogue kehtay hain... youtube per jao deobandi/brelvi tauheed per munazara ker rahay hain..Nabooat per munazara ker rahay hain..woh sab theek hai... Lakin ashaab per baat karo to aap ki majaal samnay aa jati hai :P Kiya sahabi Allah aur Rasool Allah se afzal hain jo unn per baat nahi ki ja sakti meray bhai ?? |
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goodman
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Mufti sahabi Allah kay Nabi say afzal nahi ha..per Nabi SAW say he ka rahay ha kay
Maray Sahaba Asman kay sitaray ha..
her aik ka apni position ha ANBAYA KA APNA MAQAM,SAHBA KA APNA MAQAM,SHUHDA KA APNA MAQAAM..SALHEEN KA APNA MAQAM,OLYA ALLAH KA APNA MAQAM...yahi bat ma nay aur Asadl nay app koo mashwara diya ha...kay bughaz aur tabara bazi kerna aik bat ha aur munazara kerna aik dosri bat ha...ab mufti sahib samjdar ha..bat koo samjnay kee ap be kosshish kiya keray |
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Goodman Aap ne phir aik aisi hadith ki jo logically ghalat sabit hoti hai... Agar hum asmaan k sitaron ki teraf dekhein to puranay loag sitaron ki madad se safar kiya kertay thay aur agar woh kabhi ghalat sitaray ko follow ker letay to raah bhatak jatay thay :P Aisi hadith ko perh ker saaf lagta hai k yeh kisi aisay shaks ne banaye hai jis k paas itna ilm nahi hai... Kher aap ko aik aur baat bhi bata doon... Aap ne shayed kabhi Abdul Rehman bin udais balavi ka naam suna hai ?? Shayed nahi suna ho ga... Lakin agar aap history perhein to jin loagon ne hazrat usman k ghar ka ghairao kiya tha aur qatal kiya tha... Udais balavi unn loagon ka leader tha jo egypt se aaye thay bohat hi common baat hai aap kisi bhi history book mein perh saktay hain... Lakin sab se important baat yeh hai k woh aik sahabi Rasool saww tha... Tabqaat ibn saad mein likha hai k yeh sahabi Rasool saww thay aur kafi ahadees k raavi bhi hain... Tarikh ibn masoodi mein likha hai k ibn udais balavi sahabi Rasool saww hai aur Bait shajra jisay Bait Rizwan bhi kehtay hain uss mein bhi shamil tha... Iss k ilawa bhi bohat se history writers ne iss ki tasdeeq ki hai... Ab aap bataein k aap iss sitaray ibn udais balavi ko kiya kahein ge jo sahabi bhi tha bait shajra mein bhi shamil tha aur hazrat usman k qatal mein bhi shareek tha ?? |
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