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I have started losing my religion.

Religion and Culture
 
 
 
dom_man Group: Members  Joined: 13th Mar, 2009  Topic: 68  Post: 1269  Age:  32  
Posted on:21st Sep 2011, 3:00pm
 

I have started losing my religion.

Please dont take me wrong.  for a last few years i have been studying islam very deeply especially its basic premises.But the more disturbing fact is that the more i read about Islam the more irrational and cruel it looks to me and the more doubts i devolop about it.I have come to the conclusion that we the most muslims are not following the "true islam" bcoz if we do, the more disasterous it would be for our society and the world. It seems that secular society is much more healthy than a religious society.Islam does have some very good teachings but these bunch of teaching is not enough to solve the complex problems of the modren world.

we always rant that we are not following the true islam, but the fact is that the more we follow religion the more savage and primitive we get.Tthis is evident from the whole islamic hIstory.I  think if  islam has to survive in the modren world it has to reform itself according to the challenges of the modren world.

Your response plz.

majorAli Group: Members  Joined: 07th Sep, 2011  Topic: 0  Post: 8  Age:   
Posted on:21st Sep 2011, 4:28pm
 

Islam in the Modern World

I think that to follow islam in the old days was a Challenge and today it remains a Challenge. But, that should not dissuade us from following it. Because with whatever is happening in the world. We are seeing signs... of the Judgement Day coming closer.. May Allah help us all.

Your doubts are like many before and after you.. They are because you seem to read basics about Islam or learn its 7faiths and 5 principles like: Onessness of Allah, Salah, fasting,Zakat, and hajj.. But you forget that Islam is not about just learning this... this is only the basics. You need to Open the Quran and Read it. Once you read Quraaan then God willing, things will fall in place. Read it with translation, brother.
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Posted on:21st Sep 2011, 4:30pm
 

majorali

by basic premises i meant the basic assumptions that islam develops itself on.I have thoroughly read islam.I have done two Master's from London and one the Master's was very close to theology.i hope it clears.
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Posted on:21st Sep 2011, 4:32pm
 

masters in theology

yess but why u loose ur religon brother? i mean u r such education then why? tell me tell me
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Posted on:21st Sep 2011, 4:50pm
 

majorali

i haven't said that i have left islam, what i m saying is that the more i m going deep into it the more uncomfortable i m getting.Islam is certainly NOT what i thought it to be or what we are told.It did serve its purpose back then and it was probably progressive and suited to the society it emerged but in its true form it is disasterous for mankind if we implement it today.We just said that islam is meant for all time, thats our belief but it doesnt make islam workable in the modren world.
majorAli Group: Members  Joined: 07th Sep, 2011  Topic: 0  Post: 8  Age:   
Posted on:21st Sep 2011, 6:26pm
 

islam and its objectives

doman: Sir jee to understand islaam one must understand why its foundation, implemention and today its following is necessary... u tell me brother. u think that if we follow christianity and believe in 3 gods or trinity, then it is not disastrouse for us? u think that if we follow jeudism and follow the rabais.. from whom the imamaat has been taken by Allah.. then it is not disastrouse? Dear brother... something here wrong, something your not telling. Islam is more than just some words on paper/leaves.. Islam
is way of life. islam is meaning to living. islam is what we are not. islam is what we should be. islam is a religion that submits only to Allah.
Look brother.. the Objective of islam is workable in the modern world because our Quran has many signs for those that are looking for them.
Our hadeeths have many saying from the Prophet that help us deal with Modern challenges. TImes never changed, the old days means time that was before us. Only the people change.. and due to their change our world is changing so as to believe.

But in theory islam is followable by 100%. In Practical Islam is followed by 100%.
Which holy book today u show me that have no errors? brother doorman, please understand that we have big Obligation to Islam. We dont follow because it is our Parents religion. We follow because we know that its a LOGICAL RELIGON...
Borhter not everything in life will make sense. Not everything will have answers we are looking for, but the answers that Islam gives us.. we need to make them our Rules of Livfe.
H/dr_Qasim Group: Members  Joined: 10th Sep, 2010  Topic: 180  Post: 6022  Age:  33  
Posted on:22nd Sep 2011, 12:49am
 

Islam:

Islam Ek Essa deen jisko aman or sulamti ka deen kehty hen woh deen jis meah Bilaa chooon churaa apny ap ko Allah ko soppord kur dana hota hay, Allah kay aagy jokhna hota hay or jo Deen or deen meah zabty Allah nay bunay hein on ko manna hota hy or onki practice kurni hoti hay,

Or ap apni murzi ka deen chahaty hen jis meah apki murzi ki sari batin hon, esa ni ho sukta, jo zabta , jo Qanoon Allah ki nuzur meah theek hay woh he thek hay, humari nuzur humary fasily khod ghurzi waly hoty hen, jub kay Allah kay fasily pori Insaniyat, Society kay leyeh hoty hen , onka asar, fayda, advantage sari society ko hota hy,

Islam ka koi be Law othaa lain, osky doo rus nutayij hen, Islam meah Chor kay hath katny ka hokum hay, Ketni chori kasi chori pur hath katny hen eski b hud hay , abi hath ek kay katy jaty hen pori society por sukoon ho jati hay crime rate zeero ho jata hy, Ek Khof ek dur hota hay kay esy keya tu esy ho ga,

apki soch apka nuzriyah tu hum phely sy janty hen ap Uk meah reh reh kur os culture say mot motasir hen, or apko woh sub batin achi lugti hen , Islam meah koch zabty koch pabundiyan hen, jub kay ap ko free envioronment pussund hay, hur bat meah aazadi apni murzi , apni pussund, apna raaj,

Meah nay B.A meah Islamic history puri lakin Mujy islamic history pussund na eyeh os time or meah nay es subject ko zura b ni pura or jub exam dany ghiya meah nay Paper ni deya examination hall say oth aya, muj say examinaer nay pocha ku ni day ray paper , meah bola mujy nufrat hay es subject say jis meah bus bughawatain, sazushain, luraaiyaan hen, etc etc, lakin pher meah ek du historical duramy dakhy , Films dakhi 

Pher mujy Islamic history achi lugny lugahi or again meah nay Islamic history ki tiyari ki or meah pass kur leya, pher agy MA Islamic History tuk aghiya,  ap apni murza ka islam dakhna chahaty hen, jisy Mom ki nak wala islam kehty hen, keya ap bta sukty hen ap ko kon see bat theek ni lughi,? kon say suwaal apky mind meah aty ? Forum pur bury Elm waly member mojood hen jo apky suwalo kay juwaab dana pussund kurin gay, myrizvi , Information bai , waterr, yeh sub api Oljan ko khutam kur daingy,




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Posted on:22nd Sep 2011, 2:14am
 

info1234 bhai

please come here and try to "help" bro dom_man
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Posted on:22nd Sep 2011, 7:33am
 

dom_man

this is not urs problem only

the people who try to see their face in mirorr they shuld have to under stand that ur revers image 'll come in ur view but it not mean that u r revers

same when u read the books about islam n specialy deep study u shuld have to know that who is the auther where he studed and wt r his way of viewing islam

is u try to read some thin g in germony or form germony u 'll get more details under the views of QADIYANISM

i think u read the books narated by the authers who r creating the nagative auspects of islam by there interpretations

i offer u that the points makin g u confused and creating doubts in ur mind 1by 1 u bring here and we try to explain by Quran and hadees

this is provven and accepted by noon muslim philosphers and scholers that the quran is only book by Allah and islam is the only religion can handel the problems of humanity

but the implications are very hard for those who dont want to give the rights of peoples

so we are here for ur all doubts and details by the grace of Allah

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Posted on:23rd Sep 2011, 9:53am
 

wehshi and Dr qasim

dear brothers, before proving me wrong can u plz let me know what reason and logic have u got to be sure about the faith u practice.the faith that u follow in the most mundane matters of ur life as how to have sex and how to do things in the whashroom.Dont u think it makes u a robot?

And what kind of mentality will follow by living in a fear of an unknown being 24/7? isn't the tree known by its fruit?

H/dr_Qasim Group: Members  Joined: 10th Sep, 2010  Topic: 180  Post: 6022  Age:  33  
Posted on:23rd Sep 2011, 10:30am
 

Dom man,

Islam ek system hay, jub tuk ap es meah khod ko fit ni kurin gay apko essy advantage nahi ho sukty , Islam just ek furd-a-wahid kay fayda ki bat nahi kurta, Islam kay Hur act meah hur bat meah for the whole society jis meah woh insan reh ra hota hy osko oska fayda jata hay, Kyea ap jis country meah rehty hen ap os country kay laws ko follow nai kurty, os time apko robot bunnay ka khiyal nahi ata, ? Q , Jub insan apny leyeh laws buna sukta hay tu pher Allah jis nay Insan ko creat keya hay woh ku nahi buna sukta,

Islam meah kisi pur zuburdasti nahi , Lakin Muslim ho kur Mortad ho jana yeh bot he Khusaary wali bat hay,  Islam tu life or insan kay hur issue ko discuss kurta hay not ust sex , Islam kay Hur law ko study kuir, osky advantages sub ko hoty hen kisi ek insan ko nahi , 

Islam agur Hijaab ka bolta hay tu purda kurny waly ko be fayda hay or Dakhny waly ko be fayda hay , Islam agur Chor kay hath kaatny ko bolta hay tu es meah Society meah dayr paa aman Qyim hota hay, suzaa ek ko milti hay nussiyaat pori society ko milti hay, Islam meah suza just insan ko nahi de jati , Islam meah suza ka concept os society kay leyeh ebrat ka nishaan bunaa dana hay taa kay woh khof kurin or essaa kam na kurin, 

Numaz Muslim pur furez hay, apko numaz purni bhaari lugti hay, daily gym jana fashion or acha lugta hay, why?

apko Zukaat dana bora lugta hay , tax dana acha luga hay, tax meah state ka fayda hay, jub kay zukaat meah Ghureebo muskeeno ka fayda hay, 

Rumzan kay rozy rukhna moshkil lugta hay jub kay dieting kurna acha lugta hay , why?

 serf es leyeh kay Apko azaad life achi lugti hay jis meah ap apni mruzi say jo kurin , acha bora jo murzi ,

ap meah or 1400 pehly Jahiliyaat kay zumanaa kay insano meah keya furq hay, woh be essy question Nubi pak say keya kurty ty, essy phaly be Omato nay prophets ko bola , koi asmaan say Firshta ku nahi aya, God khod ku nai samny aya,? etc etc , Agur essy he hota tu Allah ko tu sub ko he muslim buna dana asaan ta, lakin Allah nay world ko ek examination hall bunaaya hay , Doniya ko or life ko es tunazar meah dkhain, yeh life Akhurat ki life kay moqabila meah koch nahi, 

Insan or Insan ki tukhleeq ko purain, Os muqaam pur jain jub Allah Insan ko payda kurny jaa ra tah tu Angels nay Allah ko keya bola. or Allah nay angels ko keya juwaab dyea, or shtaan nay keya bola or shtaan kay sath keya howa,



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Posted on:23rd Sep 2011, 4:27pm
 

dom_man plz dont loose your faith in the truth: God Allah

dom_man brother.. you say that "mentality will follow by living a fear on an unknown being 24/7?
isnt the tree known by its fruit?"
To you and others like you,

here is the answer from Quran:


Proof 1)
Allah our God in Surah al An'am Chapter 6 Verse #50 says:
"Say (O Muhammad): 'I dont tell you that with me are the treasures of Allah,
nor (that) I know the Unseen; nor do I tell you that I am an angel. I but follow
what is revealed to me.' Say: 'Are the blind and the one who sees equal? Will you
not then take thought?
dom_man Group: Members  Joined: 13th Mar, 2009  Topic: 68  Post: 1269  Age:  32  
Posted on:23rd Sep 2011, 5:34pm
 

Dr qasim and others

ap meah or 1400 pehly Jahiliyaat kay zumanaa kay insano meah keya furq hay, woh be essy question Nubi pak say keya kurty ty, essy phaly be Omato nay prophets ko bola , koi asmaan say Firshta ku nahi aya, God khod ku nai samny aya,? etc etc)))

listen bro, if those people in the times of the prophets raise these question asked the prophets about the validity of their claims, it doesnt prove these questions to be irrelevant and invalid only coz these questions were posed to the "prophets".If someone is telling me that he is the truth and if i dont follow rules made him in my entire life and dont believe in the claims he is making then i will be having a horrible punishment.I have every reason and right to raise the question about the validity of claims.If religion which claims to be of divine origin, cant answer these questions and tell me to "surrender" myself without reasoning then i have some real problem with this kind of religion or with this interpretation of religion at least.How does it prove those people to be wrong who raise the questions about the validity of religion?It shows that they were knowledge loving people and didnt want to blindly follow what they were told.Some of them might be wicked people, bcoz no one wants to surrender his authourity but there were many people who were very noble and decent people but they were massacered mercillesly in banu quraza.

Does one deserve to be killed if he doesnt believe in a prophet.And by the way all the claim made by the muslim apologsits about religion being scientific and rational are bullshit.These things are made up after the science has won the creditbility.We just selectively read islamic history or the history of other religion.There were few occasion where islam pardoned its enemies out of diplomacy but there were many other occasion on which people were killed mericilessly for not accepting islam.

And by the way; what kind of logic is this? Quran is right because Quran says it is right.Becasuse Allah says Islam is truth and islam says Allah is God? Can any rational person accept it?As for the scientific facts in the quran, this whole darama is saudi funded who in order to make inroads into other society fund all these pseudo-scientific organisation who completly talk nonsense.The whole drama started in the cold war era.

((((Agur essy he hota tu Allah ko tu sub ko he muslim buna dana asaan ta, lakin Allah nay world ko ek examination hall bunaaya hay , Doniya ko or life ko es tunazar meah dkhain, yeh life Akhurat ki life kay moqabila meah koch nahi, )))))

chalo, yani jab koi jawab na aaye tau aisee poor justification dai do.what is the point of "test"? God is supposed to know everything in advance.so what kind of test.jo aap ne kaha hai ye tau khud aik tanqeed banti hai na ke explanation.

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Posted on:23rd Sep 2011, 9:30pm
 

dom_man how dare you use such language against Islam

dom_man:  You say that "And by the way all the claim made by the muslim apologsits 
about religion being scientific and rational are bullshit."

Prophet Muhammad (SAW) says "Whoever changes his religion, kill him" Reference al-Bukhari 3017

But I have a feeling that you did not loose your religion.. You lost your way. If it were true
that you lost your way then you may return to Islam by doing Qalma and by praying to Allah forgiveness.
But.. say you Refuse.. and start talking about the non-sense stuck in your head that those 1300 years ago
were kill mercilessly like the JEWS and CHRISTIANS talk to dissuade Muslims.. if you speak their 
tongue and expect us to consider you Muslim when you call islam an OLD RELIGION. When you talk 
about our religion being scientific and rational as your words not mine.. Nauzubillah you said bad
word.. How dare you? I joined Noor Clinic thinking to educate people but you are yourself bullshit. 
How dare you say such words for our Deen Islam???
Still I call you brother because I feel like you may return but if you dont then you are the 
Lost One and not us. 1400yrs ago jahiliyat ka zamana? I think that means uneducated. Not true! 
The only one that was uneducated at the time was Nabi PAK (SAW) he did not know how to read or write.
Then angle Jibrael came to him in Cave Hira and told him to Read 3 times.. and he continously said 
I dont know how to read.. and this was the first meeting between him and the angle. But then your degree
of theology may have not taught you this.. it probably taught you to curse our Deen.. to not believe
in Our Quran. Quran is the definite Religion. In fact you claim to not believe in the sayings of the Quran
and yet you still think that you have Started to loose you religion? Isnt that interesting? I dont know
how to write English as good as you and yet I spent more than 30mins writing this to you, because from one
Muslim to the other (I hope ur still Muslim, u sure dont look like it..) you deserve me doing this. Because
who so ever reads your page.. if they read ur page will be extremely angry at you for saying the words you
said... Regarding logics..... Ask a Question. Quran or Sunnah has the Answer! But dont think for a second
that I or anyone here will allow you to Malign our Religion. Malign means to call BAD NAMES. 



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Posted on:23rd Sep 2011, 10:45pm
 

dom man

asslamo alaikum

apka topic perh k mjy bht ajeeb mehsus hua aur aik baat ka ehsas k shaid apse koi aisa gunah sarzad hogya hai ya horha hai k Allah pak ne apkay dil se apni muhabbat hutam krdi hai.aur yeh Allah pak k liye bht asan hai k wo apne banday k dil me apni muhabbat dal sakta hai to nikaal bhi sakta hai aur yeh tbhi hoga jb apne koi aisa kaam kia hoga k apkay dil se Allah ne apni muhabbat hi hutam krdi hai ya krha hai.

kio k jab koi insaan gunaho me doob jata hai to Allah pak uskay dil per muhar lga daita hai aur usko uskay hal per chor daita hai.


aik aham sawal ap apne releigion ko kho rhy he laikin apne yaha yeh nahi btaya k is releigion ko kho k ap konsa releigion apnao gy...........kio k jb hume aik baat dosri bat se ziada achi lgen lgy to hum pehli wali ko rad kr daity he to ap bhi btaye k apne kia socha islaam se dur hokr ap konsa mazhab apnayegy.

ap islam ko chor kr konsa mazhab apnayegy kio k jo kisi mazhab ko maan k nahi chulty wo marzai hoty he...........:(



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Posted on:23rd Sep 2011, 11:28pm
 

dom man

thori see aqal luraa lain, es wuqat world meah 3 religions mojood hen jo teno Allah ko manty hen, Christians, Jews, Muslim, Lakin Ek prophet ko jo Book de gahi Dosry prophet kay any or onki book kay bhad Pheli book ki taleemat cancel quraar dee ghi, lakin logo nay inkar keya or Allah kay deen or Books meah apni murzi say rud o budal keya, lakin teno Allah pur believe Rukhty hen kay Allah hay, lakin Christians Allah kay sath Shureek Theraty hen, Huzrat Eisa ko Allah ka bata janty hen, so woh Rah say hut gay, Moshrik bun gay, essy he Jews nay inkar keya,

Islam meah Sub prophets or angels or phali books or Saheefo pur emaan rukhna zurori hay, emaan kamil he nahi hota,

Bat kurny ka mutlab yeh hay kay yeh teno religon Allah pur Emaan rukhty hen kay Allah hay, Ap tu Allah kay wujood , Creator say he monkur ho gay, Ap ko agur Allah hudayt day day tu day day nahi tu Jasy Allah kehty hen jin bato meah yeh ehktilaaf kurty tay onka fasila Buroz Qiyamat kuro gah,

Deem meah koi zuburdasti nahi , Seedhi rah or Tahri raah dono roshun hen, Allah kay wujood, Oski creations, Quran, Islam say Inkari Bot ghaaty ka soda hy, Allah kehty hen jo muj say Doniya mangty hen onko Doniya meah he sub koch day data hon, or jo Deen or doniya or akhirat mangty hen woh he Fayda meah rehny waly hen, Allah say yeh he dua kurni chayeh Ya Allah deen or doniya or akhirat meah kamyaab kurna, ameen

Apky leyeh Allah asmaan say neechy aay or apko yuqeen dilay, meah koi aalim nahi , Meah apny emaan ki roshni say bol ra hon elm say nahi , apko reply Elm wala day sukta hay , lakin Allah jin kay dil meah mohur kur day, ya Allah jisko gomrah kur day, osy koi raah pur lany wala nahi , Allah kin ko gomrah kurta hay woh jo Moshrik hoty hen, woh jo Takubar kurty hen woh jo Allah ki nishaniyoo ko dakh kur be emaan nahi laty, Allah kisi pur zolm nahi kurta insan khod he bot zalim hay,

Allah Hur cheez pur Qadir hay, Allah ko sub puta hay lakin Allah nay insan ko koch ekhtayaraat permissions, powers day kur bheja hay, jis meah insan azad hay, essi tura oski azmaysh ho sukti jub osko osko Eradaa ka ekhtayar deya gaya ho, Insan ko Ekhtayar deya ghiya hay, dumagh deya ghiya hay, any way, Allah apko Hudayt day or apka emaan muzboot kury,

Quran kay bary meah 1400 sal phely be log kehty tay yeh tu Prophet Mohammad nay khod say ghur leya hay, or yeh aagly logo kay afsany hen just, Astughfirollah,

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Posted on:24th Sep 2011, 3:48am
 

alirajput

dom_man how dare you use such language against Islam
dom_man: You say that "And by the way all the claim made by the muslim apologsits
about religion being scientific and rational are bullshit."))))))))
alirajput sahib; just relax man and read my post again.where did i "dare" to use insulting language against Islam? I was just reffering to the Muslim apologists who are trying to prove islam true with the help of sicence.I called this trend to be bullshit.There are even many islamic scholars who are against such stupidity. There is no science in the Quran.Had there been science in the Quran, muslim would have discovered those so called scientific facts before the westren science discovered them.Its only after the science has been considered superior did the pseudo-intelletcual dr zakir naik started making fool of the gullible masses.
Zakir Naik is such a charlatan and talks so much nonsense.He has got just sharp memory and the common man equates the sharpness of memory with intelligence.Apart from this qulaity, he is completely unaware of the things he talks about.He and his ilk just manipulate the quranic language in such a way that would look close to sicentific discoveries and even then they end up being looking stupid.
I dont have any problem with any religion.All religions have had both the good and bad traditions in them.As long as people keep their religion to their personal lives, there is nothing wrong being religious(like christians and other faiths have done) but when it is dragged in the public domain, all kinda nonsense starts and its adherents start giving some ridiculously lame excuses to justify the atrocities done by their faith.
Secularism is the best way to go.BTW, when we accuse the west of being hypocrite and having double standards, why do we ignore our own hypocracies and double standard.we want special treatment in the westren countries and by the westren governments but when it comes to our own countries we are not ready to let them preach their religion here coz we have a delusion that we are the best.Isn't this the worst kinda hypocrisy?
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Posted on:24th Sep 2011, 6:03am
 

dom man

umeed hai ap thik honge...kuch din se apke ye topic dekh rahi hun aur mujhe samajh nahi a raha kya likhun...

mera apko yehi mashwara hai ke ap ek bar apna dil ko kholain Quran-e-pak parhain ,Urdu ya English translation ke sath ...jo apko easy samajh aye, usko studdy karain . Mujhe yaqeen hai apko yehi feel hoga,ke Islam hi sacha Mazhab hai .Aur Hazrat Muhammad (saw) Allah ke akhri nabi hain.
mujhe nahi pata kin Halat se ap guzre hain,kya apne apne irdg gird hote dekha hai jo ap aisa feel karte hain...lekin ek bat ka dhiyan rakhain.
Kabhi Allah pe apna yaqeen na chodain.aur agar apko (Allah na kare) is bat pe douts hain ke Allah hai bhi ya nahi ,to khud ek bar sochain ...koi to hai jo ye dunya chala raha hai ...koi to hai jo zindagiyan a rahi hain aur ja rahi hain ...ye sab kuch khud se nahi ho raha ...
Ap un Allah ki Naimton ka sochain jo usne hum insanon ko Atta ki hain.Humne mangi bhi nahi aur humain kitna kuch mila...khana peena,kapda ,,rehne ke lye ghar,rozi troti ..Rishteay ,Pyar,khaloos..aulad
usne Dunya banai to insan ko dunya me bhejne se pehle usne insan ke jeene ke lye ek ek cheez paida ki...

Sorrat Fateh ko study karain ...us me itna sab kuch hai agar insan deeply samajhna chahe to kabhi bhi nahi behak sakta.Kabhi kisi behkawe me nahi a sakta.Aur Yaqeen karain Allah ki zaat pe apna bharosa chodainge to kuch bhi baki nahi rahega. Uski zaat se Muhabbat ko kabhi khatam na hone dain,
apko yahan kisi member ki bhi help ki zarurat hui to ap kisi se bhi puch sakte hain...

meri Dua hai ke Allah apko sidha rasta dikhaye aur apko Islam ki taraf se agar koi douts hue hain to ap ke dil se wo khatam kar de. Ameen
info1234 Group: Members  Joined: 27th Nov, 2009  Topic: 12  Post: 454  Age:  28  
Posted on:24th Sep 2011, 10:41am
 

Dom-Man Brother


your writings are the annotation of an atheist mind. I dont intend to refute you in a rigorous debate, which may gather huge volumes of multidimensinal arguments, as a mismatch for this local forum.

instead of probing deep inside your personal intellects, i just want to ask you questions, for which you, as a representative of your school of thoughts, should provide appropriate answers, validating your conceptual convictions, as you are conclusive in this thread rather than being interrogative.

So, beyond any religious beleif, just answer these questions from your own perspect. supposing that you are addressing as being the only logical to the group of illogicals of this forum.


q.1) we certainly can not see the sun at night. Does it imply that there is no "existence" of sun at night?

hypothetically, just suppose that earth has stopped spinning, and america is only facing dark night, whereas asia is only facing bright day.
a person from america is claiming that there is NO existance of a sun, and certainly he is right because he hasnt seen the sun with daylight in his whole life span. a person from asia is trying to convince him that there is a sun which can be seen only in asia. the person travels asia, and encountering "light" first time in life dazed him, so he closes his eyes and feels comfortable. now again he certainly cannot see the sun and begins asking with closed eyes where is the sun.

q.2) how can u convince such a person about the existance of sun?



just have a comparison of a computer with a rock.
a computer consists of hundreds of "constituent" devices interlinked in a body to perform some function. all the devices are inter-dependently integrated that even the elimination of a single device (say a single circuit wire) can make the whole computer non-functional.
whereas a rock also consists of hundreds of "constituent" stones and minerals fused together in a single body. but all those constituent stones are "independent" of each other, elimination of one, two or many will not make the rock non-functional, it will still remain a rock.
a computer is a man-made "created entity"
whereas a rock, relatively speaking is a naturally existing "uncreated entity"
Point is, that a "created" object consists of "mutually dependent" constituents. an "uncreated" object consists of independent autonomous constituents.


pertaining to above,

q.3) is our universe a "created" thing? or an "uncreated" thing existing since infinite time, or came into existance sponteneously with an accident?



the universe comprises of integrated interactions, going on between mutually dependent components, which are in "absolute equilibrium" with each other.

It consists of trillions of galaxies. but the Milkyway, the galaxy with our solar system, is the ONLY galaxy with spiral arms, acting as filters of high energy cosmic radiations.

Our solar system is revolving around the black hole of the galaxy and takes its course within these spiral arms. Without these spiral armed filters, our Solar system may decompose and collapse in a flash with those gigantic energy cosmic radiations. Thus a mechanism of barrier arms protect the Solar System.
Also, the Solar system has only ONE planet with biological life sustaining arrangements in terms of temperature, water, air, stratospheric composition, etc. i.e earth.

q.4) if this universe is "uncreated thing" then why does it consists of mutually dependent components?

if it is so, then everything inside it should be independent, i.e. chlorophyll SHOULD NOT depend on sunlight and carbondioxide for photosysthesis, animals SHOULD NOT depend on air, water and plants, man SHOULD NOT depend on animals, plants etc, earth SHOULD NOT depend on sun, sun should not depend on spiral arms, etc etc.

q.5) if this universe is "created thing", then "who" created it? created is a passive form.. created by whom? SOME? SOME-ONE? or NO-ONE?

Earth has diverse forms of life, but HUMAN BEINGS are the only living creatures which are living as the "axis authorities" of everything available on earth. Also only human beings have wisdom and commanding ability, owing to which they are the dominents on the planet earth. only human beings have speaking and delibrating abilities among all the living creatures. It looks like whole scenerio of this universe is only to serve and provide comfort to human beings only.

Q.6) from the above, doesnt it look like some unseen supernatural existance created this universe as a servant to human beings? if it isnt true then why are the human beings distinguished exceptionals?




info1234 Group: Members  Joined: 27th Nov, 2009  Topic: 12  Post: 454  Age:  28  
Posted on:25th Sep 2011, 2:07am
 

UNSEEN EXISTENCE ?


".....And what kind of mentality will follow by living in a fear of an unknown being 24/7? isn't the tree known by its fruit?...."

we have five physical senses

a bird, can be seen, smelt, heard and touched (4 senses) these sensations makes a man realize his eyes,nose,ears,skin,tongue.

a book, can only be seen and touched (2 senses, a step higher for sensation)

sound, can only be heard (1 sense and UNSEEN, even higher step for sensation)

frangrance, only be smelt (1 sensation and UNSEEN)

air, only be touched (1 sense and UNSEEN)

and then, some existances beyond our sensational limits, which can only be detected through instruments e.g. EM waves, HF radiations, microscopic bacteria viruses, etc, but instruments still require eyes,ears,nose,skin for application.

"physical sensation" can only detect physical existence, and here it nibs to spiritual edge.

A further proceeding in sensation abilities, reveals some intrinsic "unseen sensational abilities" which can be regarded as spiritual senses

these spiritual senses can "feel" some unseen, non-physical realities, such as love, hatred, jealousy, arrogance, etc, which enact and direct the physical world of man. These sensations make a man realize his non-physical existance "spirit" which is commanding the physical existance.

And for this spirit, "religion" acts as an instrument, to surge spiritual sensativity for feeling the existence of GOD. And the whole riddle unfolds here.

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