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myrizvi
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Group: Members Joined: 20th Apr, 2008 Topic: 130 Post: 7734 Age:
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| Posted on:2nd Jun 2010, 4:36am |
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 ISLAM maiN namaaz, rozah, hajj zakaat etc
1. yeh sab kuch "sunni" aur "ahmadi" ka etna milta julta hai k etna milta julta to shia-sunni ka bhi nahi hai.
2. ahmadi, "hamaray" moqaablay maiN bil.amoom zeyadah "namazi-parhezgaar" hotay haiN...
3. aik "ahmadi-friend" kissi bhi "non-ahmadi friend" say "behtar friendship" ka mozahira karta hai... iska amali mozahirah sirf onhi logouN ko hosakta hai jo kissi "ahamdau-friend" say taweel rafaaqat ka tajarbah rakhtay houN. aur mujhay iska "zati tajarbah" bhi hai
4. asal maiN koi bhi DEEN, bilkhasoos ISLAM k teen bunyaadi part hai a) imaaniyaat b) ebadaat c) talluqatay aammah /public dealing............ dunyaa k jetnay bhi taraqqi yaaftah momaalik haiN (beshtar non-muslim haiN) onhouN nay ISLAM k 3rd juzz (public dealing) ko etnaa 'apnaa liaa" hai jetna ajkal k muslims nay bhi apnayaa howa nahi hai........ jab hm nay issay apnaya howaa thaa to hum orooj par thay aj woh orooj par haiN.... iss 3rd juz ka result iss dunyaa main nikaltaa hai
5. "mosalmaan" honay k liyeh "imaaniyaat" no-1 hai... yaani beghair ibaadaat, maamlaat k sirf "imaaniyaat" k zariyah to koi "muslim" hosaktaa hai ... magar "imaaniyaat" k beghair mahaz ebaadaat+maamlaat par islamic teaching par amal karnay say ki MUSLIM nahi hosaktaa... jab russia nay muslim estates par qabzah kia (ussr k TooTnay k baad eh wastia sian muslim reyastaiN azaad howeeN) to wahaan k muslim shahri say onkay "islamic ebadaat" ko bah zoray quwwat "cheen" lia............ wahaaN quran banned hogayaa... bilklhasoos quran with translation chaapnaa /import karna jurm banaa dia gayaa... aj bhi wohi qanoon lagoo hai............... lekin "namaz-rozah" k beghair bhi woh mahaz "imaaniyaat" k saharay jo seenah gazette k zariyah nasal bah nasal muntaqil howeeN, woh "mosalmaan" hi rahay
6. mosalmaan honay ki pahli bunyaadi shart IMAAN hai jo a) Allah ki wahdaniyat b) Nabi kareem saw k last n final Rasool c) rozay qayamat aur jazaa o sazaa par mabni hai.............. agar in teenouN par wohi IMAAN nahi jiski tashreeh hazrat Muhamad saw nay ki to woh mosalmaan nahi....... ebadaat aik muslim ki "duty" hai...jissay adaa karnay par jaza aur nah adaa karnay par sazaa hai... mosalmaan woh har soorat maiN rahegaa.... issi tarah maamlaat ko bhi islamic teaching k motabiq chalaanay ka woh paband hai... aisaa karegaa (such, amaanat daari, n all gud habits etc etc) to jaza nahi karega to sazaa... dounouN soortouN maiN woh muslim hi rahega PLUS aik fauri RESULT issi dunyaa maiN yeh niklegaa k bahasiyat majmooyee amal karnay par muslim qaum dunyaa ki hukmraan hogi, nah karnay par aj ki tarah zaleel o khaar hogi
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myrizvi
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Group: Members Joined: 20th Apr, 2008 Topic: 130 Post: 7734 Age:
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| Posted on:2nd Jun 2010, 5:13am |
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ISLAM aur KUFR
1.ka faislah .... IMAANIYAAT... par hota hai, ebadaat & maamlaat par nahi...... agar kissi ka imaan bunyaadi islami aqaaid k motaabiq ho to woh muslim hai.... oskay ibadaat /maamlaat maiN kami beshi, faraq say woh achaa aur kharaab mosalmaan banta hai.......... ibadaat maiN faraq say agar log KAFIR hotay to har fiqah ki ibadaat k details maiN faraq paya jata hai
2. yeh misconception hai k "ahmadi" ... "fiqah ahmadi" hai.... yeh koi "fiqah" nahi... iski beshtar ibadaat "sunni maslak" k motabiq haiN issi liyeh "ahmai awamunnas" ko sunni-muslim kahalwanay ki talqeen ki jatai hai. aur ji ahmadi yeh 'afford" nahi karaktay k woh ahmadi honay ka elaan karaiN to woh khud ko "sunni-muslim" kahalwaatay haiN.
3. meri tamam ahmadi say request hai k woh ibadaat , ikhlaaqiyaat /maamlaat ki bunyaad par apnay deen ko nah parkhaiN balkay woh IMAANIYAAT ki bunyaad par........... imaaniyaat k 3 basic part 1-Allah ki wahdaniyat 2- Muhammad saw ki last n final nabi 3-qayamat maiN say pahlay aur akhri imaan par to woh maantay haiN ......... "asal maslah last n final nabwat" hai........ aur issi k zariyah 1st n last (wahdaniyat n qayamat) imaani juzv ka bhi inhisaar hota hai k imaan bil ghaib k liyeh hamaray pass Nabi k sewa koi aur zariuyah nahi.
4. asal discuss karnay ki baat Muhammad saw k last n final nabi k honay /nah honay ki hai.... lufz "khatimatun.Nabiyyen" ka to ahmadi bhi INKAAR nahi kartay k yeh lufz quran maiN aayaa hai aur iska tarjuma ahmadi bhi yehi kartay haiN jo hum kartay haiN (I've ahmadi translation of quran)... mazay ki baat yeh k ahmadi bhi ossi 30 paray ko quran maantay haiN jo ummat maanti hai jabkay baaz "islami firqay" 40 parouN walay quran par bhi imaan rakhtay haiN
5. kissi bhi deen maiN "Nabi /Rasool" aik kaleed /key ki hasiyat rakhta hai...wohi deen ka sara naqshah pesh karta hai wohi ghaib ki bataiN batlataa hai, wohi ibadaat ka tareeqah sikhlata hai..... agar Nabi change /badal dia jaa.ay to deen ki shakal tabdeel bhi hosakti hai agar woh last ambeyaa AS ki tarah sacha nabi nah ho
6. 1300 saal tak ummat ka "muttafiqah imaan" thaa k hazrat Muhammad saw "last n final Nabi" haiN.... see all tafaaseer of 100-1300 sadi hijree.... 14veeN sadi maiN aik shakhs Ghulaam ahmed mirzaa nay NABWAT KA DAWAA kia (kissi bhi defination maiN)..... ab agar yeh DAWA sachaa hai to 1300 saal tak k muslemeen ka imaan (nauzo billah) NAAQIS tha jo yeh imaan rakhtay thay k hazrat Muhammad saw last n final prophet haiN............ aur agar wog durust thay to iss "new nabi" aur iskay mannay walay false haiN.... bayak waqt dounouN "mosalmaan" kaisay hosaktay haiN.
7. I know k aik common ahmadi "khud ko bhi muslim" samajhtaa hai aur non-ahmadi ko bhi........... but mirza ghulam ahmed mirza, yaa ahmadi jamaat ka koi bhi ameer /khalifah aisaa nahi samjhtaa... woh sirf aur sirf "ahmadi community" ko MUSLIM aur "non-ahmadi community" ko non-muslim declare karta hai.......... ab agar ki 'ahmadi comman person" apnay hi nabi /khalifah ki iss baat par "imaan nahi" rakhtaa to alag baat hai. mirza ghulaam ahmed ka layaa howaa DEEN published halat maiN openly available hai... iski tableegh ki jati hai...iskay literature ko pahialayaa jata hai lehaza iss main koi baat chopi howi nahi........issi taarh ahmadi par lagaa.ay howay "nadaanouN k ilzaamaat" ki bhi koi haqeeqat nahi... asal ahmadi deen wohi hai jo ahmadi literature maiN maujood hai.......... jiss main ebadaat walay hissay par koi khaas faraq maujood nahi
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ch Babar
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Group: Members Joined: 15th Jul, 2007 Topic: 32 Post: 1873 Age:
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| Posted on:2nd Jun 2010, 10:00am |
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Ahmdi Literature Kush arsa pehlay Germay k Ahmadi Jamat k sarkarda Rahnuma Sheikh Raheel ne Ahmdiyat se toba kar k apni family samait Islam qabool kiya aor unho ne bataya k main neIslam kisi molvi se munazira haar k qabool nahi kiya balke Mirza Sahib ki tasneefat pe ghaor kiya ahe jo language Mirza Saab ne use ki hae woh kisi nabi ki to kya eik shareef insan ki bhi nahi ho sakti. baqi Dr qasim aor myrizvi bhai ne bohat detail se replies kiye hain mazeed kuch kehnay ki gunjaish nahi hae. |
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ch Babar
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Group: Members Joined: 15th Jul, 2007 Topic: 32 Post: 1873 Age:
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| Posted on:2nd Jun 2010, 10:04am |
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ek baat Bewaqoof saab kabhi bhi ye baat nahi maanain gay k janab Altaf Hussain ne Qadiyaniyat k baray main is tarah k remarks de k muslimao ki dilazari ki thi un ko ye to nazar aaya k Qadiyani Literature main nimaz, roza, zakat ek jaisa hae un ko khatam en ubuwwat ka inkar, Anbya (A.S)) ki toheen, ummat e muslima ko galiyan kahin nazar na aaien??? ye bad diyanti nahi to aor kya hae? kya Mirza Saab ne apni kitab main har us muslman ko Harami qarar nahi diya jo un ki nubuwwat ka inkar karay????eik eik kitab aaj bhi apni asli shakal main mojod hae aap kis kis referance se inkar karain gay??? Qadiyani kis tarah Hazrat Muhammad (PBUh) ki toheen kartay hain ye main ne apni aknhon se dekha hae.
Bewaqoof Saab aap se mera sawal ye ha ek kya eik ahmdi aor ghair ahmdi k emaan ka faisal nimaz, roza, hajj, zakat pe ho ga ya aqeeda e khatam e nubuwwat pe??? |
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Bewaqoof
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Group: Members Joined: 19th Sep, 2010 Topic: 263 Post: 4444 Age:
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| Posted on:2nd Jun 2010, 10:35am |
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Mazhabi munafrat phailanay wale log
Namaz Quran Roza Hajj Zakat ke ilawa agar kisi aur topic per koi aik doosre ko gaali deta hai tu os ki koi ahmiat nahi. iss forum per bhi Paroot aur ch Babar aik doosre ke liye kis qisim ke alfaz istemal kerte hai os se sab hi waqif hai. aur ch Babar ke irratative comments per shia hazrat on ke liye kis qisim ke language istemal kertay hai os se sab hi waqif hai.
re: "Bewaqoof Saab aap se mera sawal ye ha ek kya eik ahmdi aor ghair ahmdi k emaan ka faisal nimaz, roza, hajj, zakat pe ho ga ya aqeeda e khatam e nubuwwat pe?"
Ahmadi aur Altaf Hussain ke aqeeda mai yeh farq hai keh Ahmadi khatam-e-naboowat per eeman nahi rakhtay aur janab Altaf Hussain saheb khatam-e-naboowat per eeman rakhtay hai. baqi rahi namaz roza hajj zakat tu aap bhi achchi tarah jaantay hai keh aap ke namza, roza, hajj aur zakat mai aur Ahmadi ke namaz roza hajj aur zakat mai koi farq nahi.
kisi aur member ki Ahmadiat per tanqeed ki phir bhi ahmiat hai lekin aap ke tanqeed ki koi ahmiat nahi kio keh aap tu iss forum per sirf aur sirf isi liye mojood hai keh har aik ke mazhab per tanqeed ker ke kisi ko mushrik kisi ko kafir qarar dete rahe. iss forum ka har member aap se achchi tarah waqif hai keh iss forum per mazhabi munafrat phailane mai aap ka ketna haath hai. Altaf Hussain aap se laakh darja behtar hai jo aap ki tarah mazhabi munafrat nahi phailatay balkeh mazhabi munafrat phailane walo ki muzammat kertay hai.
kia aap ki tarah ham log musalman nahi hai? lekin aap ki tarah mazhabi munafrat nahi phailatay. aaj iss mulk mai jo bhi ghunda gardi aur qatal o gharat giri ho rahi hai woh sirf aur sirf mazhabi munafrat phailane walo ki wajah se ho rahi hai. Allah taala iss mulk ko mazhabi munafrat phailane walo se mahfooz rakhe. Aameen.
re: "Kush arsa pehlay Germay k Ahmadi Jamat k sarkarda Rahnuma Sheikh Raheel
ne Ahmdiyat se toba kar k apni family samait Islam qabool kiya aor unho
ne bataya k main neIslam kisi molvi se munazira haar k qabool nahi kiya
balke Mirza Sahib ki tasneefat pe ghaor kiya ahe jo language Mirza Saab
ne use ki hae woh kisi nabi ki to kya eik shareef insan ki bhi nahi ho
sakti."
iss tarah keh infaradi reference ki koi ahmiat nahi hoti hai. aap tu sirf aik ahmadi ki misal de ge keh woh kio ahmadiat ko chor ker Musalman hua. lekin ahmadi hazraat ke paas aap ke aik example ke muqablay mai hazaro example mojood hai keh onho ne Islam ko chor ker kio Ahmadiat qabool ki. kia aap nahi jaantay keh hazaro musalmano ne apna aqeeda change ker ke Ahmadiat ka aqeeda apnaya hai.
mera aap ko aik musalman ki haisiat se mashwarah hai keh aap iss qisim ki fazool example de ker Ahmadi hazrat ko moqa na de keh woh bhi examples dena shuru ker de keh woh Musalman se Ahmadi kio hua. generally log Ahmadi hotay hai, bahut kam ahmadi apna aqeeda chor ker non-ahmadi hotay hai. lehaza aap ki harkat se inderectly Ahmdiat ko faida pohonch raha hai. jin logo ko bhi Ahmadiat ke baaray mai nahi maloom tha woh aap ki be-ja tanqeed ki wajah se waqif ho rahe hai.
mai aik baar phir aap ko mashwarah deta hoo keh aap kisi mazhab per jetna tanqeed kare ge os ki otni hi publicity ho gi. mai aik Musalman ki haisiat se Ahmadiat ki publicity nahi chahta hoo, lehaza aap ko yahi mashwara deta hoo keh Ahmadiat ke topic ko kam se kam discuss kare takeh os ki kam se kam publicity ho.
jo log Ahadiat ke baaray mai nahi jaantay thay woh bhi aap ki publicity ki wajah se jaan gaye hai. aur isi qisim ke log tajassus mai internet per Ahmadiat ke baaray mai search kerne lagtay hai. agar hazaro logo mai koi aik bhi shakhs Ahmadiat literature se mutasir ho ker Ahmadi hua tu os ka Gunah bhi aap ko hoga.
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H/dr_Qasim
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Group: Members Joined: 10th Sep, 2010 Topic: 185 Post: 6560 Age:
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| Posted on:2nd Jun 2010, 1:15pm |
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Emaan or Urkaan-a-Islam
Pillars Of Islam And Emaan Islam kay jiss Turhaa 5 pillars Hen essi turhaa Foundation (bonyaad) koch Bonyaadi Aqaayd Jinko Hum Faith or Emaan kehty hen wo aaty hen, eskay Bhad Emaan kay oper Five pillers instaal hoty hen , jesaa ap sub janty hen Hur emaarat apni foundation kayo per khuri hoti hay, oski ek bonyaad hoti hay, agur oski bonyaad nahi foundation nahi tu oper ketni he khoobsoraat buildings or pillars bunaa dayin wo emaarat weak hoti hay oska structure kumzoor hota , Essi turhaa Islam meah Emaan ki baot Importance hay jisky bhad esky 5 Sutoon aaty hen meah on Brothers or sisters kay leyeh yeh clear kur doon kay Islam kay Pillars say phelly Islam ki Bonyaad eski foundation ko sumjayin or os foundation (Emaan) ko muzboot bunayin pher Islam kay pillars ko follow kurin jub Emaan or pillars mokamal ho jayin tu Quran or Sunna ko ek zaabitaa a Huyaat sumajty howy oski Practice kurin yeh he islam hay. Abi Binaa Emaan ka yap Five pillars ki practice kurty rayin or sumjayn kay Yeh he islam hay tu bilkol gult baat hay Five pillars jis Eman pay base kurty hen onka Kamil hona baot zuroori hay. Meah sumajtaa hon Emaan-a-mojumal or emaan-a-mofussal 6 Kulmy saary Aqayd or emaan ki tufseel mojood hay kay islam keaya hay so Islam kay arkaan say phely bhe jo bonyaadi aqaayd hen on pur emaan baot zuroori hay Ahmadi Or Muslims meah Furq Emaan kaa hay or Emaan he sub say buri cheez hoti hay five pillars esky bhad aaty hen abi koi kehtaa hay kay wo huj, roza, numaz, zukaat adaa kurtaa hy tu wo muslim hay nahiiiii. Sub say phelly osy islam Kay Bonyaadi Aqayd pay apnaa Emaan Muzboot bunana hogaa. Alla pur emaan , osky Furishto pur emaan, Charo kitabo pur emaan , Prophets pur emaan, Huzrat Mohammad -khatim-ul-Nubiyeen , pur emaan. Qiyamaat pur emaan , or mot kay Bhad zindgi pur emaan, ye zuroori chezin hen esky bhad arkan a islam aaty hen. Ahmadi or muslim meah Furq serf Emaan kaa hay or emaan he Islam meah Daakul kurtaa hay or emaan he islam say Kharij. agur Emaan Kamil nahi tu hum ketni he numazin pur layin rozy rukh layin zukat adaa kurin yani arkaan-a-islam ki hum practic kurin jub kay humara Emaan or wo aqeeda he theek na ho jo hum ko muslim kuraar data hy tu keyaa fayda essi ebaadat ka,
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Diplomate
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Group: Members Joined: 18th Oct, 2009 Topic: 53 Post: 3436 Age:
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| Posted on:2nd Jun 2010, 5:10pm |
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 eman ka tarjma bazaban-e-mulla'n.....!!!!!
Ahmadi or muslim meah Furq serf Emaan kaa hay or emaan he Islam meah Daakul kurtaa hay or emaan he islam say Kharij.
main Dr. sahib ki iss bat sy agree krta hoon aur sath hi Dr. sahib ki tuwajjo b hasal krny ki koshish karta hoon...janab Dr. sahib jis eman-e-kulli ka aaj kal wawaila kiya jaraha hey uss ki aik jhalak mulahiza kijeye
Qila Ahmed Abad (Sabiqa Qila Sobha Singh) Narowal k aik ghar main aik saffak shakhas dakhil hota hey uss ka name "Abid Husain Butt" hey Iss maloon sha'khas k hath main aik taiz dhar khanjar hey aur iss k dimagh main jan'nat main jany la lalich hey iss ki brain washing mehaz jan'nat k inaam k hasooll ki mad main ki gaye hey
yah saffaq sha'khas 50 sala bazurag aur uss k 22 sala Fsc k talib ilam baity pr bedardi sy khanjar k war karta hey bhorra shakhas iss k war ki tab na laty howey moqy pr hi dam torr daita hey jub k 22 sala baita muzahmat krty howy apni jan bachany main kamyab hota hey laiken shdeed zakhmi halat main behoosh ho jata hey ..taham shor machny ki soorat main "Abid Butt" (qaatal) moqa sy farar ho jata hey..
zakhmi ko agly din hospital main hosh ata hey to wo biyan qalam band karata hey k wo qaatal ko pehchanta hey lehaza uss ki nishandahi pr qaatal ko masjad sy "namaz" parrty howy girftar kiya jata hey
qaatal police raid party ko apni rahaiee k badly 60 lakh rishwat ki paishkash karta hey magar ahl-e-ilaqa ki mazahamat pr ussy beharhaal pehly thana (police station )aur baad main aik na maloom muqam ki janab mutiqal kar diya jata hey..qaatal apny aitafi biyan main yeh b kehta hey k abi uss ka mission mukamal nahi howa aur uss k pas jis qadar ahkamat / hadayaat hain un ki takmeel main ussy abi mazeed ahmdiyoon ka qatal karna hey.......!!!
Lmaha-e-Fiqriya
iss sari story jo k shaid aap pehly sy hi janty hon gy ko likhny ka maqsad sirf aur siraf yeh k jis "Abid Butt" (Qaatal) ka yahan zikar kiya geya hey wo na sirf khud ko muslim kehta hey bulky khatm-e-nubuwat par emaan b rakhta hey
uss ki brain washing mehaz jan'nat ka lalach dy kar ki gaye hey wo aik ahmdi ko iss liye qatal karny ka khuwahish mand hey k usy badly main jan'nat mily gi ...wo namazi b hey aur aik namazi ka qatal b hey wo roza dar hey aur aik roza dar ka qatal b.... wo shaid haji b ho aur shaid uss k hathon qatal hony wala b hajj ka khuwahish mand ho
masla sirf aur sirf khatam-e-nubuwat ka hey ussy yehi feed kiya geya tha k jo b khatam-e-nubawat par yaqeen nahi rakhta ussy bila qasd-o-juram qatal karna moojab jan'nat hey...
agar yeh feeding mehaz issi khatar ki gayee hain k kisi aysy sha'khas ko jo k khatam-e-nubawat ka qayel na ho k qatal k badly jan'nat milti hey to phir jo sha'khas khatm-e-nubuwat par eman rakhna to door ki bat siry sy nubuwat ko hi tasleem nahi krta to uss k qatal sy to phir na sirf jan'nat wajab honi chahiye bulky jan'nat main aala elli'yeen main dakhal hona chahiye.....yeh jis "islam" ki taleemat hain hum uss "islam" k qayel nahi hain ..har giz qayel nahi hain...
aur mery dost islam yeh nahi kehta islam kisi ki jan bila qasd-o-juram lainy k haq main nahi hey...aur jo aqeeda yeh kehta hey wo islam nahi hey..main us ko islam nahi manta..aur jo log aysy pur tashad'ad aqeedy par atty hoy hain wo na to islam ka kuch bhala kar rahy hain aur nahi wo muslim kehlwany k qabil hain ....to lehaza iss lehaz sy aysy pur tashad'ad islam k qayel sha'khas / ashkhaas ko qatal kiya jana chahiye...kisi massom insan ko nahi....kisi masoom insan ki jan mehaz apny aqeedy sy mukhtalaf hony ki bina pr lainy ki soorat main dozakh milny k qawaee amkanat hain...jan'nat milny k nahi
issy nam nihad eman ki pukhtigi kehye ya phir nam nihad muslim hony ki alamat ...yeh aqeeda na to jan'nat main le jany ka zimmey dar hey aur na hi emaan pr qyem rehny ki daleel ...yeh kufar hey kufar hey aur bas kufar hey.....
aur iss purtasha'ad islam k qayel sha'khas ko kafir kehna chahiye aur ussy hi qatal krna chahiye.... jo khud ko doosroon sy mehaz khatam-e-nubawat par emaan rakhny k zuam main afzal samjta hey.... |
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Bewaqoof
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Group: Members Joined: 19th Sep, 2010 Topic: 263 Post: 4444 Age:
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| Posted on:2nd Jun 2010, 5:43pm |
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Qadiani Nawaz Ka Fatwa re: "aur iss
purtasha'ad islam k qayel sha'khas ko kafir kehna chahiye aur ussy hi
qatal krna chahiye.... jo khud ko doosroon sy mehaz khatam-e-nubawat par
emaan rakhny k zuam main afzal samjta hey...."
agree with Diplomat. khatam-e-naboowat per mera bhi eeman hai, lekin mai Ahmadi hazraat ko qatal kerne ka tasawar bhi nahi ker sakta. lekin afsos keh masoom aur begunah Ahmadi ke qatal ki muzammat kerne per yaha Qadiani Nawaz ka fatwa dia jaata hai.
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H/dr_Qasim
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Group: Members Joined: 10th Sep, 2010 Topic: 185 Post: 6560 Age:
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| Posted on:2nd Jun 2010, 5:48pm |
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re es above post ka sara pusmunzur or wujoohaat or sari batin esy phely discuss ho choki hen or meah zuoori nahi sumajta abi pher sy tushree ki jay, meah nay Emaan or on Aqaayd pay baat ki hey jin pur emaan zuroori hay, agur oski bonyaad theek nahi tu oskaa emaan theek nahi or jub emaan theek nahi tu yeh baat mushkook ho jati hay kay wo dayraa islaam meah ataa hay yaa nahi es leyeh sub say phely on bato kaa khiyaal rukhnaa cha-yeh jo hum ko daydaa-a-isam meah lay jati hyin or jo humko dayraa-a-isaam say kharij kur dati hen,
yeh jo abi deh-shut gurdi ho rahi hy yeh pory pakistan meah ho rahi hy jis meah na amaam bargah mefooz hay na musjid na mundir na church so es Dehshut gurdi ki root ko agur ap purkuryin tu apko mehsoos hogaa jo ap logo kay kandy pay bundook rukh kay chulaa rahaa hay wo humara dost nahi doshmun hay |
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Bewaqoof
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Group: Members Joined: 19th Sep, 2010 Topic: 263 Post: 4444 Age:
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dehsaht gardi se mahfooz masjid re: "yeh jo abi deh-shut gurdi ho rahi hy yeh pory pakistan meah ho rahi hy
jis meah na amaam bargah mefooz hay na musjid na mundir na church"
mera zati khayal hai keh Pakistan mai Wahabi Masjid dehshat gardi se mahfooz hai. ho sakta hai keh mera khayal ghalat ho, lekin meri maloomaat ke mutabiq Wahabi Masjid bomb dhamaka aur terrorist attack se mahfooz hai. agar yeh sach hai tu kia koi bata sakta hai keh Wahabi Masjid kio mahfooz hai?
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H/dr_Qasim
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Group: Members Joined: 10th Sep, 2010 Topic: 185 Post: 6560 Age:
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| Posted on:3rd Jun 2010, 2:19pm |
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ahmadi ka Qutal
bewakoof zura ap btaa sukty hen kay Koon saa alim-a-deen kehtaa hay kay Ahmadi ko Qutal kuro or seedy junaat meah jao gay? mujy kisi ek mostanaad aalim kaa naam btaa dayin kisis bhe Firkaa ka? Koi aalim a deen abi yeh nahi kehtaa kay jao or ahmadi ko qutal kuro or seedy junaat meah jao, khod say ap log islam ki budnaami ka bundobusst paydaa na kurin. wo log jo Dehshut gurdo kay Hat khulonaa buny howy hen yaa jo naam nehaad aalim esaa kehty hen onki traning afghanistaan meah ho rahi hy. or rahi baat al-a-hudeess olamaa ya firkaa ki tu yeh Firqaa hur jugaa ongli nahi kurtaa jesaa Humary sonni bralvi molvi kurty hen. Meah nay khod al-a-hudees musjid meah kai dufa namaz-a-jomaa adaaa ki hay or apni musjidoo meah bhe namaaz-a-jomaa adaa ki hay , saaaf andaazaa ho jata hy humary olamaa ka or al-a-hudesss olamaa ka bhe wo Quran or hudess kay elaawaa bat nai kurty or humary molvi ka khotbaa a jomaa uksur kissy kaaniyoo py hoty hen or musjid meah bath kay he neend aani shoro ho jati hay , Agur ye firqaa buchaa howa hay tu achi baat hay, serf humara firqa or shiyaa firqaa dust-o-grabaa rehty hen uksur , al-a-hudess pher achy hen Quran or sonaat pay chulty hen onky gomraahi kay chance kum hen humary ziyada , jo indo pak culture meah luthry howy hen, muslimaan ho kay bhe muslimaan nai lugty Abi jitni bhe dashaat gurdi ho rahi hay ek monazaam group kur raha hay jub kay aaj say 15 saal phely supaah-a-sahaaba ka zor thaah jo khutam ho choki lakin oski baaqiyaat ko abi istamaal keyaa jaa raha hay, Jub bhe tujziyaa kurin apny firkay say hut kay neutral ho kay kurin essy apko khod meah bhe bot see khuraabiyaan nuzur aayin ghi or es turahaa ap apny erd gerd bhe gult aqayed or ghult rusoomaat ka khatimaa kur payingy one line solution meri sub say request hay es thread ko close
kurin one line solution ki sorat meah
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ch Babar
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Group: Members Joined: 15th Jul, 2007 Topic: 32 Post: 1873 Age:
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| Posted on:4th Jun 2010, 7:33am |
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Wahabi hain kon? jis tarah Janab Altaf Hussain Punjab main Qadiyani k qatal ko ghalt rang de k , Ahmdiyat k baray main ultay seedhay remarks de k mazhabi tabqay se tasadam chahtay hain aor mazhabi munafirat phailana chahtay hain isee tarah forum pe waqtan fawaqtan mazhabi munafirat phailana Bewaqoof ka bhi kaam hae jaisa k mosoof ne ooper farmaya k "Wahabi" ki masjid dehshat gardi se mehfooz hae kya Bewaqoof Saab bata saktay hain k pooray pakistan main "Wahabi" ki masjid kahan waqia hae??? Karachi se le k Khayber tak mujay ek bhi aisi masjid nazar nahi aaie k jis k markazi darwazay pe Masjid k name k sath maslik "Wahabi" likha ho agar Bewaqoof ne aisi koi amsjid dekhi hae to bata dain nahi to wazahat farma dain k woh apni samjh k mutabiq Wahabi kisay keh rahay hain us k baad he jaiza liya ja sakta hae k "wahabi" dehshat Gardi se mehfooz hae ya dehshat gardi ka shikar hae.
Aaj MQM ek khas agenday k tehet Punjab aa rahi hae woh agenda hae Qadiyani issue ko dobara kharra karna , Qadiyani ko mazloom aor Ulema ko zalim aor qatil k tor pe pesh karna . ye Ulema ki mehnet hae k aaj Punjab main jub koi Qadiyani Europe ka Visa, Nokri ka Lalich, ya apni beti ka rishta de k kisi Muslman ko Qadiyaniyat akhtayar karnay ki targheeb deta hae to aaj ka punjabi nojawan us ki ye baat nahi sunta warna ise pehlay log Europe janay k liye Qadiyani ban jaya kartay thay . ye woh kaam hae jo Ulema ne kiya hae. is liye Altaf Hussain jaisay dehshat gard Ulema ko badnaam nahi kar saktay. |
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Bewaqoof
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Group: Members Joined: 19th Sep, 2010 Topic: 263 Post: 4444 Age:
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| Posted on:4th Jun 2010, 9:28am |
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Wahabi Masjid & Qadiani Mazhab
re: "Bewaqoof Saab bata saktay hain k pooray pakistan main "Wahabi" ki masjid kahan waqia hae??? Karachi se le k Khayber tak mujay ek bhi aisi masjid nazar nahi aaie k jis k markazi darwazay pe Masjid k name k sath maslik "Wahabi" likha ho agar Bewaqoof ne aisi koi amsjid dekhi hae to bata dain"
Wahabi Masjid os Masjid ko kehtay hai jaha saaray Wahabi aa ker namaz perhtay hai. Hamaray mohalla mai bhi aik masjid aisi thi jise Wahabi Masjid kehtay thay. Os masjid mai kahi bhi lafz Wahabi nahi likha hua tha lekin poora mohalla jaanta tha keh yeh wahabi masjid hai.
hamari gali mai sirf aik family aisi thi jise Wahabi family kehtay thay. sirf os family ke log os Wahabi Masjid mai namaz perhne jaatay thay jab keh poori gali wale doosri masjid mai namaz perhne jaatay thay. yeh Wahabi masjid choti thi lekin aas paas mohalla ke Wahabi bhi apnay mohalla ki bari bari Sunni Jaama Masjid ko chor ker os Wahabi masjid mai namaz perhne aatay thay.
hamaray waldain ne hamai sakhti se mana kia hua tha keh Wahabi Masjid mai namaz nahi perhna hai lehaza mai zindagi mai aik baar bhi os masjid ke andar nahi gaya jise sab Wahabi Masjid kehtay thay aur os masjid ke main gate ya deewaaro per kahi bhi lafz Wahabi Masjid nahi likha hua tha.
re: "jub koi Qadiyani Europe ka Visa, Nokri ka Lalich, ya apni beti ka rishta de k kisi Muslman ko Qadiyaniyat akhtayar karnay ki targheeb deta hae"
Kia koi musalman Europe ke visa, nokri ya rishta ki khatir apna mazhab tabdeel ker sakta hai. bilkul nahi. iss qisim ki baatai kerne wale ghatya soch ke malik hotay hai. mai ch Babar sahib se poochta hoo ke kia ch Babar, myrizvi, Diplomat, Paroot, Waseem08, Dr. Qasim aur mujh se yeh tawaqo ker saktay hai keh ham log visa, nokri ya qadiani ki larki ki khatir apna mazhab tabdeel ker le ge. kabhi nahi. aap ko Qadiani aqeeda ko dalail se ghalat sabit kerna hai. iss qisim ki ghatya harkat se zahir hota hai keh aap ke paas dalail khatam ho gaye hai.
koi bhi musalman yeh tasawar nahi ker sakta keh woh nokri, visi ya rishta ki khatir Qadiani ho jaaye. kisi musalman per iss qisim ka ghatya ilzam lagana Islam dushmani nahi tu aur kia hai. agar aap Qadiani ke liye iss qisim ki baat kare ge tu yahi samjha jaaye ga keh aap ke paas Qadiani daleel ka koi jawab nahi hai aur aap khisyani billi khamba noche keh tehat ghatya ilzam tarashi per otar aaye hai.
re: "Altaf Hussain jaisay dehshat gard"
Pakistan ka bachcha
bachcha jaanta hai keh pooray Pakistan mai masjid, mandir, church,
ibadat gaho, mazaro, Police stations, Army places aur Public places per
kon Bomb Blast ker raha hai. Altaf Hussain sahib iss dehshat gardi ki
muzammat kertay hai. log apna jurm chupanay ke liye dehshat gardi ki
muzammat kerne wale ko hi dehshat gard kehte hai. lekin Pakistan ke
bashaoor awam achchi tarah jaantay hai keh iss mulk mai dehshatgard kon
hai aur os ki dehshatgardi ki muzammat kon kerta hai.
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ch Babar
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Group: Members Joined: 15th Jul, 2007 Topic: 32 Post: 1873 Age:
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| Posted on:4th Jun 2010, 10:00am |
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Bewaqoof Mohtaram Bewaqoof Saab qata e nazar is baat k aap mujay kitna na pasand kartay hain ya muj pe kis had tak tanqeed kartay hain main ne apni zaat pe aap ki tanqeed ka kabhi bura nahi manaya laikin is ka ye matlib bhi nahi hae k aap k jo jee main aaye keh dain meray mohtaram Dost Bewaqoof Saab Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Qadiyani ki wiladat Punjab main hoi thi Mirza Saab ki nubuwwat pe "emaan" lanay walon ki aksariyat punjabi hae aor ye Punjabi kis tarah Qadiyani howay us ki ek waja main ne ooper bayan ki jisay aap ne foran ghatya ilzam keh diya meray paas apnay sheher Gujrat ki ek nai beesyon misalain hain jub larrkay is liye convert howay k Europe ka visa mil raha hae, Qadiyani honay se nokri mil rahi hae. aor ye woh waqt tha jub ek aam muslman larrkay ko Islam aor Qadiyani k farq ka wazeh ilam nahi tha jub k aaj agar koi aisa "package" pesh kiya jaye to logon ko pata hae k aisa karnay se woh murtad ho jayen gay. aap pehlay meray is ilzam ki tehqeeq to kar lain phir mujay jhoota kahain, mujay ghatya kahain. Gujrat ki woh ba asar Qadiyani Families jo Europe main settle hain un ka ye business raha hae aap mujay kis tarah jhoota keh saktay hain? ye Qadiyaniyat ka woh roop hae jo aap ko Karachi main beth k nazar nahi aaye ga ye punjab walay he is ko behter samjhtay hain.
Daleel Qadiyani k paas koi nahi hae is liye woh logon ko lalich de k mazhab badlnay ki targheeb detay rahe. aap jo marzi keh dain doosra reply kare to woh mazhabi muafirat ban jati hae. afsos ahe aap ki na insafi pe. |
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H/dr_Qasim
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Group: Members Joined: 10th Sep, 2010 Topic: 185 Post: 6560 Age:
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| Posted on:4th Jun 2010, 12:16pm |
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Wahaabi Estilaaah
Yahaa saudia arabia meah abdol wahaab Nujdi nay aa kur yaa say sary muqbury or Qubristaaan or esi wo tumaam jugyin jahaa mujaabir bathy thay mis maar kur deyeh thay koch log kehty hen Abdol wahaab nujdi ko Engraazo nay traning dilaai thi or pher osy saudia meah apny kaam kay leyeh bhejaa lakin meah sumajtaa hon saudia meah esaa achaa howa yaa apko esaa koch nuzur nahi ataa, naa tu firqaa waraana letrature or na he turaa turaa kay Firqo ki musaajid, Pakistan meah Wahaabi istilaah essi turhaa use ki jaati hay jis turhaa aj kul US, UK non muslim countries Al-qaida ka naam use kurty hen, Quran-or-sonnut ki practice kurny waly Hunmbli, Sonni, hen jo imaam Shaafi, imaam Hunifa, Imaam shokaani ko manty hen, Sahi Bokhaari ko ziyada importance daty hen or es period meah Sahi bokhaari ko ketna moqaam hasil hay sub janty hen, Aj Hum Bralvi logo ko jo bhe bunda apny kisi essy aqeedy kay khilaaf nuzur ataa hay jis ka Quran or sonnut say koi releaiton nahi hum osko wahaabi kehnaa shoro kur daty hen, Number plate koi bhe lugaa dayin lakin apki Gari ko lay kay chulny walaa engin or jis road pya ap jaa ray hen wo seedaa honaa chaa-yeh, Apny aqeeday theek kurin Quran or sonnut kay motaabik na kay indo pak kay culture kay motabiq , meah agree kurtaa hon koi bhe musjid essi nahi hay jis pay likhaa ho yeh wahaaabiyoon ki musjid hay , Kehnay or Hony meah furk hota hay , ahl-a-Hudeess hen wo log yani Quran or Hudess ko Motabur manty hen, lakin hum bralvy log koch or link roads bhe use kurty hen bujay sedaa High way or motor way use kurny kay jo hum ko bujay munzal pay pnchaany kay kayin or lay jaty hen
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Diplomate
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Group: Members Joined: 18th Oct, 2009 Topic: 53 Post: 3436 Age:
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| Posted on:5th Jun 2010, 3:50pm |
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terrorist attacks on mosques ....!!! "mera zati khayal hai keh Pakistan mai Wahabi Masjid dehshat gardi se mahfooz hai. "
main "bewaqoof" ki iss bat sy mutfiq hoon...yeh bat theek hey k mulk-e-azeez pakistan main koi masjad , imam bargah , koi idara deh'shat gardi sy mehfooz nahi hey laiken sirf aik firqa ki mosques mehfooz hain (allah mehfooz hi rakhy)
iss ki koi khas waja samj main to nahi ati laiken iss "muhafazat" sy jo naye shakook-o-shbhaat phot'ty hain unhain b radd nahi kiya jaskta ...abb braye karm un shakook-o-shubhaat ka mat pooch lijeye ga...nai to yahan aik nai behas chirr jaye gi..
behar hal main bewaqoof sy agree krta hoon |
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sunehri76
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Group: Members Joined: 04th Aug, 2007 Topic: 100 Post: 4647 Age:
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| Posted on:5th Jun 2010, 4:27pm |
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dr qasim do u need some referens kaunsa maulvi kehta hai qadiyani ko qatal akro???
youube chek kar lain,wahan apko mil jayega.!!! aur youtube me wo videos is bat ka saboot hai.
is ke ilawah ye fatwa Aamirliyaqat bhi de chuke hain.!!!
Khatm-e-Naboot pe mera Imaan hai.Hum Hazrat Muhaamd (saw) ko akhri shari nabi manta hain.yani ke unke bat koi nabi nayi sheriyat nahi le kar ayega-Koi naya Mazhab koi nayi kitaab nahi ayega.
lekin Ummat-e-Nabi a sakte hain.J o unki Taleem jari karega.Aur humara na koi naya Quran hai,na koi naya kalma,na koi nayi hadeesain hain.
ap kisi ka imaan kaise chek kar sakte ho? ek banda namaz parh raha hai,use qatal kar diya jata hai,kyaqatal karne wale ke pas koi saboot hia ke wo wahi namaaz nahi parh raha tha jo wo khud parhta hai?? nahi !! Kya hashar hoga aise insaan ka Allah ke pas ja n kar.
Jung ke waqt ka ekwaqya hai,mujhe yad nahi kis ka tha,lekin ek sahaba hazrat Muhammad (saw) ke pas aye aur batya ke hazoor maine ek dushman ko qatal kar diya,usne qatal hone se bachne ke lye ,foran la-e-laha illalaah muhammadur rasullullah parh liya lekin maine usko phir bhi qatal kr diya.
is pe Hazrat Muhammad (saw) ne sakht narazgi ka izhar kiya ke,kya tumne uskadil cheer ke dekha tha?? tumhe use har girz use qatal nahi karna chahye tha..
mujhe afsoos nahi ,aise logon pe jo apne apko Khuda ki jaga samajh kar shirk me mulawasho kar ye dawa karte rehte hain ke ,aur ye dawa karte hain,ke humare imaan ko jante hain.Humare imman ko parakhne ka dawa karne wala sirf Allah hai.wo humara Hafiz hia.aur rahega...
karbala bani jab bhi zameen humare lye.
to aasman se utra Khuda humare lye.!!!!
mujhe is se ziada kuch nahi kehnaaaaaa ,na hi zaroorat hai..bohat se videos available hain utube pe..jis se sabit hota hai ke ap ke maulvi kya kya sazishain karte rehte hain.Kaisi kaisi language use karte hain apne Khutbas me.
aur yahan kitne jhoote dawedar hain jo khud ko Hazrat Muhammad (saw) ke ishq me mubatalah hone ke dawedar hain,lekin unki seerat ke ek alif be nahi ati unhe.!!! in me se kuch members ki ye khubi kisi se chuppi nahi hui.mujhe kisi ka naam lene ki zaroorat hi nahi hai.
mai Allah ki shukar guzar hun,ke usne mujhe sab munafiqon ke chehre dikhaye.aur mujh pe ek khas karam kiya aur unse door rakha. |
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H/dr_Qasim
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Group: Members Joined: 10th Sep, 2010 Topic: 185 Post: 6560 Age:
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| Posted on:5th Jun 2010, 4:45pm |
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Sonehri
Dakhyin Olamaa nay es topic pay kafi kaam keya hay , meah molviyoon ki baat nahi kur raha meah serf etna kaho gaha wo aqeeda ap correct kur layin jis ki bonyaad pay apko non muslim Quraar deya ghiyaa hay, ap jesy kehti hen wesy tu koi furq nuzur nahi ataa tu keya ye sary olamaa , even molana mododi, or pakistan kay jaiyaad olamaa hur Firqaa kay olama motafiq hen,ap apny Firqa ko study kurin or jo cheez apko essi dikhaai dati hay jo Quran or sunnat kay khilaaf hay or Toheen-a-Risaalat ki turaf jati hay ap os py apna emaan na rukhin, akhur wo kon kon see batin hen jin ki bonyaad pay apko non muslim kaha ghiya hay ap khod abi btaa dayin , etnay saray olamaaaa or 14 saal poraani History Ghult ho jati hay or apka emaan theek ho jata hay esaa tu ho nahi suktaa, Hum ahmadi firqa kay Bani ko Non muslim kehty hen or jo jo os shukhsiyaat ko or oski taleemaat ko follow kurta hay osy non muslim tusawar kurty hen ku kay olamaa nay onko Jhootaa or khutam-a-nuboowaat ka inkaari payaa hay, achy bory log hur jughaa hoty hen hur muzhab or hur firqaa mah hoty hen , meah khod koi firishta nahi ho hum say bhe Gonah hoty hen lakin wo Gonah wo aqaayd ju muslim bunati hen onka khiyaal zuroor kurna cha-yeh ap wo moti moti batin yaa btaa dayin, keya Mirza ghulaam ahmad Qadiyaani nay Nuboowaat ka dawaa nai keya tah, apka Mirza ghulam ahmad Qadiyani kay bary meah keya khiyaal hay ye hum ko btayin Mery khiyal say es Bahesss ko chorin , ap apny Deen pay Hum apny Deen pay , Allah Hum Ko Huq Such or Siraat-a-Mostaqeem Pay chulny ki tofeeq ataa furmayin or jo Firqa werayaat ka Fitna jis ki aag meah pakistan abi jul raha hay es azaab or fitna say bhe pakistan or Hum pakistaniyoon ko mehfooz furmay ameen
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Bewaqoof
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Group: Members Joined: 19th Sep, 2010 Topic: 263 Post: 4444 Age:
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| Posted on:7th Jun 2010, 12:39pm |
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Nawaz Shareef and Ahmadi mai ne suna hai keh janab Nawaz Shareef saheb ne bhi Ahmadi hazraat ke haq mai koi bian dia hai jis per olma karam ko shadeed etraz hai.
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H/dr_Qasim
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Group: Members Joined: 10th Sep, 2010 Topic: 185 Post: 6560 Age:
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| Posted on:7th Jun 2010, 1:02pm |
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Nawaaz shareef G ap nay theek sonnaa hay lakin ap ko yeh bhe puta hoga Punjab mah PML N ki Hukoomat hay or Ahmadi Huzraat Pakistani hen or Hur pakistani kay Jan or maal Ka Tahufaaz Hukoomat a wuqat ki zimadaari hay or ono nay theek kahaa hay jo bhe kahaa hay abi meah pher wo bat kurtaa jao nahi tu ap nay pher morghi ki wo he taang wali bat kurni kay altaaf bai nay bhe ek baar statment deya taah , onka statent kesaa tahaa osy bhe yaa ap likhin or nuwaaz shareef ka statment bhe ap likhyin mujy jahaa tuk yaad purta hay ono nay kaha taha kay meah nay saraa letrature pura hay mujy tu koi essi wesi bat nuzzur nahi eye,
jub kay nuwaaz shureef nay kahaa hay Ahmadi pakistan ka usaasaa hen or pakistani hen jo pakistan kay Sheri hen ono nay osi Tunaazur meah baat ki jesy dosri Aqleeyato kay bary meah bat kurty hen, or bat bhe theek hay Ahmadi huzraat pakistani hen or onko apni muzhabi ebaadat ki azadi hasil hay serf tubleeg or Elaaniya ebaadat nai kur sukty.jaha tuk meah nay jana hay, Nawaaz shureef nay onky muzhab kay Huk mah baat nahi ki bulky pakistani Sheri hony or os tunaazur meah bat ke hay , Abi mojooda koi Futwa nahi kay jahaa ahmadi mily osy Qutal kur du etc, jo bhe esaa kurta hy ya kury ghaa pakistani Qanooon kay motabik jorm hay or jub ek islami mulk meah baahum ejtahaad say qanoon bunta hy tu wo islami he hota hay, |
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