Homosexuality In Islam: How To Get Rid Of It?

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haris25

pahlay to apna zehan clear karo k ap 1st priority drs. /medical 7 psycological experts ki roy /comments ko detay ho yaa Allah aur oskay rasool saw ki roy /comments ko.... jab tak ap in doynoun k beech main laTaktay rahogay, apki zehni uljhan kabhi door nahi hosakti......... agar to medical experts ki roy ko hatmi samjhtay ho to phir Allah Rasool saw ki bataiN nah karo.... wohi karo jo dr. kahtay haiN... faidah hojaa.ay to Theek, warnah tum jaano aur tumharay drs.......... lekin agar Allah -Rasool saw ki roy /comments ko tarjeeh detay ho to..... onkay comments ko dil say tasleem karo jo woh kahtay haiN... yaani same-sex, sexual relationship is HARAM & UNNATURAL. iss baat ko dil say tasleem karlo...phir apna elaaj bhi karwatay rahi, jiss say chaaho...... jab tak mareez apnay marz ko tasleem nah karay aur iskay root cause ko nah maanay... aur marz ko apnay ghalat harkaat (agar koi ho) ka baaes nah jaanay... woh nah to jismani nah hi zehni lehaaz say mokammal taur par sehat.yaab hosakta hai.

1. ab yeh baat medical science sabit karchuki hai k gay koi genetic marz nahi... balkay jiss nay yeh theory pesh ki thee woh khud gay thaa.

2. Qudrat nay males k liyeh females aur females k liyeh males paida kiyeh haiN takay yeh bahmi qanooni bandhan maiN bandh kar aik doosray say lutf andoz houN aur auladay adam ki paidaaish aur baad azaan onki parwarish ka fareeza anjaam daiN.... yehi natural method hai.

3. bad habbit inssan khud apni marzi say start karay yaa environmental forces ki wajah say woh oss main mobtalaa ho jaa.ay........ bad habit, bad hi rahegi. kabhi right habit nahi ban sakti.

4. kaun see cheez bad hai aur kaunsi gud hai iska faislah koi nah koi authority karti hai. hum sab alag alag faislah nahi karsaktay... kai momaalik maiN to gay marrigaes bhi allowed haiN...iska faislah wahaaN ki authority nay kia hai...... ap kis authority ko maantay hain, yeh baRa aham hai......... agar ap ISLAM ko authority maantay haiN........ g haaN agar maantay hain to phir apko chouN chara kiyeh beghair ...islam ki baat manni paRegi khaah apki naaqis aqal main yeh baat aaye yaa nah aa.ay............ aur islam yeh kahta hai k gay relations HARAM hai..... lekin agar ap kulli taur par islam ko nahi maantay to phir ap jo chahay kar skatay hain... kah saktay hain........ islamic taleem par etraaz bhi karsaktay haiN, Allah aur oski hikmatoun par bhi etraaz karsaktay hain.......

5. Allah ki hikmatouN ko samajhnay samjhanay ka yeh tareeqah nahi jo apnay ikhteyaar kia hai........agar apkay zehan maiN koi ashkaal hai to issya kissi saahebay ilm (islamic scholars say raabitah karaiN... apkay tamaam sawaloun k jawaabaat hazaroun martabah diyeh jaachukay haiN aur yeh morattab shudah halat main maujood hain... yeh aur baat hai k aap islam par kam ilm rakhnay k sabab iss say nawaqif haiN.... Allah nay shaitaan ko bhi paida kia hai, jahannam ko bhi banaya hai........ aur yeh kah dia hai k jo shaitaan ki baat maanega woh jahannam maiN jaa.yegaa. aur jo shaitaan ki baatouN k moqaablay maiN Allah aur oskay rasoolouN ki baat maanega woh jannat maiN jayega... dunyaa maiN shaitaan k chelay jinnouN maiN bhi haiN aur insaanoun maiN bhi...... see surat Al.naas....

Thank you myrizvi for replying

Islam doesn’t completely explain homosexuality; it just denies homosexual physical acts and is silent on homosexual love and lust. Where does it comes from? Are people born homosexuals? It is a well known fact that people say it is not a sin to have a homosexual thinking, as people are homosexually oriented but if you do it then it becomes a sin. Well it is only written in Holy Quran about Hazrat Lut’s people, that they were involved in sexual relations with the same sex. And I have never come across even one single Hadees of Hazrat Muhammad PBUH  about homosexuality. And as you have mentioned that “Allah aur uskay Rasool SAW ki comments”, then please let me know where have you read about Hadith related to homosexuality because I am very much interested to read them. And if you know any Islamic book which talks about this issue in detail, please tell me. I have searched major Islamic book shops and they failed to provide me with any book.

This homosexuality is a major issue and Islam only denies it and that’s all. I have no problem with Islam denying it. But how homosexuality develops in a person, it is simple that a person is homosexually oriented. It is not his/her fault. I have this problem. Many people in Pakistan have it, no doubt. Some are bisexuals also. Everyone tries to hide it. And Islam is a religion where there is no permission to lie. Why can’t I tell this problem to people around me? Why should I lie to my parents? Why should I get married just to satisfy my parents and people around me? Why should I live a lie? Islam denies lie too. Are you getting my point why I am confused? I am a homosexual. And I very well know why I am like this. I did not make myself a homosexual.

Please give me source. I am very much interested to read them as it will help me take a decision and accept to live a heterosexual life.

I didn’t understand this “aur auladay adam ki paidaaish aur baad azaan onki parwarish ka fareeza anjaam daiN” please explain. Yes this is what I am telling you.

If Allah has created this male-female connection, then why would He create homosexuals? Why?

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Brother,

I suggest you to follow the therapy which you have already started with psychologist and please try to avoid to search internet about your problem...Once a patient starts treatment of any doctor, patient should trust on his/her treatment and wait for some time for result before changing the doctor/psychologist etc.

Trust on your psychologist and his/her therapies and try to keep your self busy in some games specially out door games/ waling running etc. You have many parks in Lahore where you can spend some time.

wish you all the best....

Hawk66.....

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haris25

1. Dr Zakir is a MBBS doctor and an islamic scholar too. He says that it is now proved that homosexuality is NOT by genetic. as u already accept that homosexuality act is a sin. aur koi aisaa kaam "gunaah" nahi hosakta jo genetically oss main paya jata ho. jaisay diabetic aur hypertension genetically bhi maujood hota hai. magar being a diabetic or hypertension is not a sin.

2. gunaah aur sawaab k kaamoun main aik bunyaadi faraq yeh hai. agar badi ki niyyat ki jaa.ay, oska iradah kia jaa.ay yaa oskay zehan main khayaal aaye to iska koi mawaakhzah nahi... hamaray namaah aamaal main koi gunaah oswaqt tak nahi likha jataa jab tak hum oss par amal nah kar baiThaiN. gunaah k kaamouN ka waswasah /khayaal shaitaan ki taraf say aataa hai.... aur shaitan ki request par Allah nay ossay 'ijazat' di thee tum insaan ko bahkanaa chaahtay ho to jaa'o bah.kaa'o.... jo mera bandah hoga woh tumharay bahkaa.way maiN nahi aayegaa..... yehi wajah hai k boray khayaalaat par islam maiN koi giraft nahi... albattah boray khayaalaat ko jhaTaknay ki koshish karni chaahiyeh................ jabkay naik kaam ka iradah /niyyat karli jaa.ay to iss niyyat /iradah ka bhi sawaab miltaa hai.

3. ap sirf "tafreehay tabaa" k liyeh homosexuality ko discuss karna chaahtay ho, iss issue ko paRhna chaahtay ho k kahaaN kahaan aur kia kia mawaad iss par maujood hai... am I right? agar aisaa nahi hai to phir apkay liyeh etnaa janna kafi nahi k Islam maiN yeh act HARAM hai aur quran maiN qaumay loot k hawalay say saaf saaf likha hai.

4. islam maiN sharm o hayaa ko baRi ahmiat haasil hai... jo ajkal k daur maiN khatam hoti jarahi hai.... quran, hadees aur fiqah ki books main sex related tamaam hedayaat sharm o hayaa ko madday nazar rakhtay howay 'describe' kia gaya hai........ yahaan apko HOT novels wali woh details nahi milengi jinhaiN paRhkar log lutf andoz hotay haiN /hona chaahtay haiN. yehi wajah hai k islam husband-wife k darmayaan sex relations k methods /tareeqay ko detail say describe nahi karta balkay symbolically batlata hai k woh tumhay libas hain aur tum onka libaas ho... islam aisay issues main sirf HARAM ACT ko 2 Tok ilfaaz maiN wazah karta hai... jaisay homosexuality act haraam hai... ghair.mankooha k saath sex realations haraam hain, mankooha k saath anal sex haraam haiN. self-sex intehaayee naa.guzeer halat main allowed to haiN but issay encourage nahi kia gayaa etc etc... inkay elawah baqi sab kuch legal shadi frame work k ander halaal hai. it's up to both spouse k woh kis tarah sexual life guzaarna pasank kartay haiN.

5. mera khayaal hai k apkay zehan maiN kuch aisay basic sawaalaat hain jinkay jawaab to apko maloom to haiN magar ap onpar 'believe' nahi karna chaahtay yaa phir ap sab kuch jaantay howay bhi confusion ka shikaar (rahna chaahtay) hain. agar ap waqe'ee in confusion ko door karna chhatay haiN to iss waqt say behtar scholar Dr. zakir naik hain ap onki books, dvd aur website irf dot net say rajoo karaiN. agar ap HAQ ki talash maiN howay to insha Allah apki confusion zaroor door hojayegi. aj laakhoun muslims /non-muslims k issi qism k confusion Dr zakir door kar chukay hain. ap bhi aazma kar dekhgaiN insha Allah apkay marz maiN afaaqah hoga.

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• Thank you myrizvi for telling me about Dr. Zakir Naik covering the subject "homosexuality" and I am curious to see what he has described

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haris25

But how homosexuality develops in a person, it is simple that a person is homosexually oriented. It is not his/her fault. I have this problem. Many people in Pakistan have it, no doubt. Some are bisexuals also. Everyone tries to hide it. And Islam is a religion where there is no permission to lie. Why can’t I tell this problem to people around me? Why should I lie to my parents? Why should I get married just to satisfy my parents and people around me? Why should I live a lie? Islam denies lie too. Are you getting my point why I am confused? I am a homosexual. And I very well know why I am like this. I did not make myself a homosexual.

Dear, if u are asking why people are borned homosexuals, then I give u an answer from my point of view, but first let me suppose ur above statement in a different way…
From visualizing the environment around me, I know there are so many people who love to b criminals, they love to be a robber, they love to be rapists, target killers, drinkers, gamblers, suicide attackers, murderers, kidnappers, terrorists, drug addicts, drug sellers, so on and so on, I don’t even have enough space to describe all kinds of criminals…….. now I suppose ur statement from a criminal…

But how (drinking , robbery, killing,  gambling, terrorism, kidnapping)  develops in a person, it is simple that a person is (drinking , robbery, killing,  gambling, terrorism, kidnapping) oriented. It is not his/her fault. I have this problem. Many people in Pakistan have it, no doubt. Some are (in between) also. Everyone tries to hide it. And Islam is a religion where there is no permission to lie. Why can’t I tell this problem to people around me? Why should I lie to my parents? Why should I get (NORMAL CITIZEN)  just to satisfy my parents and people around me? Why should I live a lie? Islam denies lie too. Are you getting my point why I am confused? I am a  (drinker , robber, killer,  gambler, terrorist, kidnapper) l. And I very well know why I am like this. I did not make myself a (drinker , robber, killer,  gambler, terrorist, kidnapper).

Dear islam is a religion of nature doesn’t mean that u can enjoy everything coming into ur mind.. it means that it orders those acts who are very well justified by whole mankind to be very fruitful, and by nature every human being feels mental relaxation by practicing them, for example, honesty, justice, hardworking, feeling sympathy, providing comfort etc etc… similarly marriage between male females.
You should ask this question y Allah made some people drinking , robbery, killing,  gambling, terrorism, kidnapping oriented?   Becase human life is a test life in this world, for every desire and need of a human being, Allah has made numerous wrong ways, and only one right way, but He has given this sense to man that he can judge the right path…… this is the test , that Allah has created evil forces, they constantly keep on influencing a man towards wrong ways to fulfil his desire, but natural sensation of a man, strengthened by the love of Allah and Prophet Muhammad SAW, always makes a man to choose the right path, and defeat the evil….. then this applies to a man who has gone astray, that he loses his strength and faith, and his desires govern him in wrong ways….

U are concluding results from the west, the people who live even worse than animals. Can u tell me the name of any animal which loves to be a homosexual ?.. yes there is only one and that animal is only “European and American species of human being”.. westerns even love to have sex with animals, and u are deducting code of ethics from their culture that do not change the orientation of a person? Why cant u see their dual policies? What the hell those people talk about of ethics and human rights?

Dear we are muslims, and we are taught by our Creator through His heavenly revelations which are taught to us through His messengers……. DON’T EVEN THINK LIKE A HOMOSEXUAL, BECAUSE UR THINKINGS REVEAL UR PERSONALITY AND OFTEN UR ACTIONS COME OUT OF UR THINKINGS.

I am quite sure that u will only feel attraction for those boys who look more like girls, for example teenagers, or a man with thin builds, fair colour, clean shaved etc… will u feel attraction for a 35 year old fully grown man with strong and rigid body and a dense shave on his face?.... if even it is so, then y cant u own ur existence when u r in fact the owner of ur existence? If u r a president of ur company, will u expel the person from ur company who is proved to be an agent of ur enemy to destroy ur company? Or u gona go for negotiations for that man for a compromise? What would u do? .. keeping that in mind, y cant u expel the devastating desires of shaitan?.. only because u want “yes” for that, permission for that, that’s y u want to believe those activities as a normal and natural case……..

And even there is some room for u… there are so many girls, who look very much like boys, they get boy cuts as their hair styles, they have heavy voice like boys, they behave like boys , they have a rough texture of their skin like boys, but still they are normal girls…. U can choose such girls for marriage…….

And in the end, I wanna say that dear plz plz don’t take my words as ur humiliation or insulting kind of msg, its just a way to make u understand something for which u are trying to be encaged  in a fantasy world….. human beings do mistake that is natural, but there is a cure for everything, either spiritual or materialistic…. Its all upto u, what u want to make urself !

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stranger_1

I agree with you that marrying a girl will act as a medicine for me. My body shows response to guys only. I have no idea would it give response to a girl or not as I have never experienced a sexual intercourse before because I think a man should always do intercourse with his wife only which is made halal for him by Allah. I agree with you, if I choose to live a heterosexual life, then getting marrying with a woman will help me achieve my goal.

You wrote:

Inn sab baato ka jawab yahee hai kay "Hum log bohut naa-shukrey log hain". Allah ney humey sab kuch dia hota hai but koi aik cheez agar nai hoti tou hum Allah sey complains karna start kardetey hain kay pata nai qayamat aa gaee hum per... Jabkey oos cheez mey bi Allah ki koi masleyhat hoti hai, aur hamara apna hi faeda hota hai jo kay kuch arsey baad humey nazar aa jata hai...

Thank you for sharing your cousin’s story. Yes, you are right, I am not being thankful to Allah who has given me more than enough. I accept your statement of being unthankful to Allah, specially myself.

You wrote:

aik minor sa mental disorder hai, iss ko apney dimagh per sawaar na karo

I think of my homosexuality every time. You want me to forget about it? If I forget about it, I will loose control and end up in sex with a guy

usmanali74

You wrote:

ask you that do you want your self to be normal (i mean start liking girls) or you want to be live with these feelings

Thank you for sharing your female friend’s story. Yes, I have also heard about these types of stories before. I want to be myself. I want to live as gay. If not, then I want to have at least sexual desires for woman which I am completely lacking

infro1234

Thank you for the example. I think you are right to some extent, the example you stated. If I kill this homosexuality inside me and get married, then I might find peace, as I trust Allah. He can do anything. He is the one who can cure me.

You wrote:

U are concluding results from the west, the people who live even worse than animals. Can u tell me the name of any animal which loves to be a homosexual ?.. yes there is only one and that animal is only “European and American species of human being”.. westerns even love to have sex with animals, and u are deducting code of ethics from their culture that do not change the orientation of a person? Why cant u see their dual policies? What the hell those people talk about of ethics and human rights?

I do not agree with you. Homosexuality exists in animals. But, I don’t think animals behavior should be used and compared to decide what’s natural in human beings behavior. I don’t think western people have sex with animals? Really?

You wrote:

 am quite sure that u will only feel attraction for those boys who look more like girls, for example teenagers, or a man with thin builds, fair colour, clean shaved etc… will u feel attraction for a 35 year old fully grown man with strong and rigid body and a dense shave on his face?

I like men who are masculine. So, I don’t feel attraction for boys who look or acts girly. You know what Eunuch is? It is English word for the word Hijra. Eunuch(hijra) are those people who thinks they are girls trapped in a guy’s body. They get their penis removed. They like being girls. Homosexuals are different than Eunuchs. Don’t confuse between the two.

You wrote:

 then y cant u own ur existence when u r in fact the owner of ur existence?

What do you mean? Explain..

You wrote:

If u r a president of ur company, will u expel the person from ur company who is proved to be an agent of ur enemy to destroy ur company? Or u gona go for negotiations for that man for a compromise? What would u do? .. keeping that in mind, y cant u expel the devastating desires of shaitan?.. only because u want “yes” for that, permission for that, that’s y u want to believe those activities as a normal and natural case……..

I agree with you. If I am a true muslim and believe’s what Allah has decided for homosexuals, then I should kill/eliminate the homosexual thinking from myself

You wrote:

And even there is some room for u… there are so many girls, who look very much like boys, they get boy cuts as their hair styles, they have heavy voice like boys, they behave like boys , they have a rough texture of their skin like boys, but still they are normal girls…. U can choose such girls for marriage…….

Girls with girlish/feminine personality are better than what you have written. I don’t like girls who are masculine. Homosexuality is a fantasy, no doubt. But American psychiatrists after a lot of research have concluded that it is not a mental disorder. In 1974, they removed homosexuality from a list of disorders. There are around 25 Million gays in US only.

I don’t know what to do. I am all confused. 

this is my last reply in this thread

then y cant u own ur existence when u r in fact the owner of ur existence?

it means u r being owned and ruled by ur desires, not by ur decisions... u know homosexuality is a sin but ur desire is homosexuality, and u have made urself so weak that ur desire is controlling u, ur desire is ruling ur senses, ur desire is what making u think all this... "

these are ur statements :

"Islam doesn’t completely explain homosexuality; it just denies homosexual physical acts and is silent on homosexual love and lust"

"But American psychiatrists after a lot of research have concluded that it is not a mental disorder. In 1974, they removed homosexuality from a list of disorders. There are around 25 Million gays in US only. "

"If I am a true muslim and believe’s what Allah has decided for homosexuals, then I should kill/eliminate the homosexual thinking from myself"

now tell me what is the meaning of this "it just denies homosexual physical acts and is silent on homosexual love and lust".......  well i am a teacher, and i know how to deal with students..... this question is a kind of question that even the most stupid and dull students dont ask..
now i suppose ur question from a student...

"suppose i have taught my students in material quality and testing laboratory, to use copper sulphate (neela thotha) to differentiate an aldehyde chemical from a ketone chemical, but dont touch the copper sulphate with ur handds and fingers, handle that with equipment only..... now can u explain my statement why i am forbidding them not even tough that chemical? now suppose a fanatic boy, he is saying .. i am loving the colour and beauty of copper sulphate, teacher has only forbidden me not to touch it with hands, but he is silent about anythhing else, teacher hasnt said anything about smelling copper sulphate, or tasting copper sulphate, i want to taste it, i want to put it in my books, in my bags..etc etc.."

y r u inspired from American psychiatrists? who are those fanatics?..... u are beleiving in them only because u want them to be right...u dont want to hear a word from same american ecientists and psychatrists who are opposing homosexuality by its devestating effects on the society.... tell me 100 years back was there any issue like this? present world is suffering immensely why?..where are ur senses and reality thinking? where is ur "well education" if u cant distinguish between right and wrong? education is something which maginifies the ability of a man to analyse and justify the mode of life. tell me the advantage of homosexual theory? and tell me what is the purpose of marriage? is marriage only for sex?

and yes animal sex is very normal case in america, even in europe... and it is also considered normal, and special training is given for such activities "to minimize the loss"..........

u said :
Let me tell you about myself. When I was in mid teens, ... Un-necessary Details Edited...That are the two incidents happened in my life. Now I am 25 years old. I never like girls sexually. 
I do watch gay porn. And I am struggling to get rid of homosexuality

from where did u learn about gay porn? u havent got this knowledge from revelation, u have learned all this somewhere in this world... and that what has made ur thinkings out of ur intellects......u know, all such kind of problems are associated with the people who have enough to eat and enjoy... i think u havnt experienced any major difficulty in ur life... if u want to face reality then try to go outside ur city and watch the starving faces of people who dont have even more than 1 bread to eat in a day.... they dont face problems like homosexuality.... most of these problems are associated with the people to whom Allah has blessed lot of food shelter and comfort...... and whatever u are asking from Allah, just fear the situation that Allah make u understand ur questions by making u live on the edge of ur needs, he makes a person ruined and lost everything, then he lives in search of his hunger only and then he comes to understand that only food and shelter is his basic need, rest everything was a desire.

dear y cant u understand this reality that ur expert psychatrist is a woman, when u discuss such kind of problem with her, will she feel any respect for u? involuntarily she will feel disgusting just after few days when she will come to know that actually u dont want to change and rectify urself, u only want some license and some way to live as a gay.

 you do everything with ur own will, u eat, drink, sleep, study, do everything with ur own will and decisions, sometimes even if u r willing to watch a movie, and ur mother calls you for shopping, then even u change ur mind unwillingly and take ur mother to market all because u r the owner of ur existence, u can do everything with ur own desicions...... even in ramzan, when u feel hungry u wont eat, coz ur mouth cannot eat without ur decision, when u take the decision of eating then u put something in ur mouth, and thats only on the aftari...... same is the case with other desires..... u can control ur every desire with ur will, but only if u want to control it.... if u let urself go with ur desires, then ur existence is owned by ur desires.. for example, take previous example.... ur will is to watch a movie, but ur mother is asking u for her shopping, if u r governed by ur desires, u will refuse ur mother and watch the movie, but if u have control over ur desire then u can judge that mother order is more important and u switch off ur movie even in middle,... this is a very small example just to make u understand, that same rule applies for the major desires of a person, all the criminals, drinkers, kidnappers, etc all are those people who are being controled by their desires, they only have lame excuses that the society brought them into that, all rubbish, fact is they cant control themselves for their wrong desires.... a man should be strong enough to do everything with his DECISION not with his DESIRE this is the basic teaching of ISLAM. ... even roza is the practise of controlling ur desire.. roza is just a symbolic representation, otherwise real roza is whole life of a muslim that he has to abstain from all haram activities.