 Re: Wrong, Nothing Wrong In This World
" Main Emaan Laya Allah Pe Us Ke Farishton Pain, Us Ke Nazil Kerda Kitabon Pe, Us Ke Utare Hue Rasoolon Pain Aur Aakhirat Pe, Aur Is Bat Pe Ke Her Achai Kerne Ki Aur Burai Se Buchne Ke Taqat Sirf Allah He Se He, Aur Merne Ke Bad Dobara Ji Uthne Pe"
The above is the Emaan-e- Mufassil on which the whole Muslims believes. There is nothing wrong in the above pray. And if we try to understand the lines, we will find out the answers of various questions that have been raised in this forum. Consider the final lines and see that He is God who awards Human the power to do right and to escape from wrong. This shows that there are certain things in the eyes of Allah, which are considered right and wrong. Isn't?
Here there is a discussion going on that nothing in this world is wrong, and Mr. Bewaqoof is trying very hard to prove this wrong statement true. I am going to interfere in this topic deliberately since I don't want that the readers of this forum will get inspiration for the path that will take them towards wrong side.
Bewaqoof: Wrong jise urdu mai ghalat kehte hai aik relative term hai, matlab yeh keh ham kuch asool fix kerte hai aur phir os osool se jo kuch vary kerta hai ose ghalat ya wrong kehte hai.
Doctor K K: With in the limits of rules, there are certain things which are even right and wrong.
Examples: A man has decided that he will donate 10 rupees every day. If he will not do that in spite of breaking his rule he is not wrong. On the other hand if a man decided that he will offer meal to the beggar every day whether or not his home mates will get the meal same time. If he does accordingly then despite he does not break his rule he will not be on the right way. Look in this example that a man has not been forced to donate by either his religion or society. He has made his own rule and if he breaks it he will not be regarded as on the wrong way. Similarly a man who decided to offer meal to beggar has not been forced by his religion or society if he does so and neglect his home mates then he would not be on the right way.
Inspiration: Rules are nothing to do with the decision that which is right or which is wrong.
Bewaqoof: dunya ki har cheez sahi hai, ghalat kuch bhi nahi.
Doctor K K: In the context for above statements various examples have been given take each example one by one.
Bewaqoof: ji haa shaitaan bhi 100% sahi hai, kio keh shaitaan ko Allah Taala ne dunya ke logo ko behkaane ke liye banaya hai;
Doctor K K: The history is that there was a Jin on earth and his name was AZAZEEL. He was very obedient to good and all the times he had been doing pray for God. On the request of Angels he has been awarded the grade of Messenger of Allah at earth for all Jins. He has done his duties very well and his grades went on increasing. He then be ascended to the heavens and made the master of all angels. The other name with which we know that Jin is Iblees. (Make note of it that he is a Jin not angel). When Adam was created with sand, Allah has ordered all of angles to do Sajda against him. The reason of that has been described in the Quran and I don't want to go in details. Except Iblees every one offered the Sajda. Iblees has done pride for that he was pushed down to the earth. He then asked the life from Allah till eternity. Allah has awarded him this life and he announced to bring the mankind towards the deeds which are unlikely in the eyes of God.
One day Moses A.S was passing through a forest, he has seen that one guy was weeping down the tree. He asked the reason from him. The guy told him that he is Iblees and he is much worried with his life. He desired to get back his status again. Moses talked with Allah and the Allah asked Iblees to offer Sajda against Adam then he would be forgiven. Iblees after listening that went from there with saying that when I haven't done that when Adam was created then how I can do it now?
When the Iblees asked the life till eternity from God, he announced that he will bring the Human towards wrong direction. At that time Allah had informed him that any man if will seek my mercy, I will forgive him.
Inspiration: Who has made Iblees Sattan? Is that God or his own pride. Is that possible that Sattan has been created to divert the humans towards wrong side by Allah ( Nauzo Billah). God has created Adam with love, and He will never want to push him in the Hell. These are the deeds of human beings that will lead them towards that side. If we believe in God then we have to believe that there are certain things right and certain things wrong in the eyes of Allah.
Bewaqoof: Shaitaan ke sahi aur ghalat ka zimmadaar bhi Allah hai.
Doctor K K: According to Bewaqoof, Allah is responsible for all deeds of Sattan. Since for all sins humans blame to Sattan, therefore it means, Allah is responsible for all the sins of Human beings. Nauzo Billah.
Bewaqoof: ham log har waqt mukhtalif qisim ki chori mai mulawis hote hai, maslan software ki chori, bijli ki chori, books ki chori aur iss chori ko sahi saabit kerne ke liye mukhtalif dalail dete hai, jab keh jis ki cheez chori hoti hai woh hamai chor hi kehta hai. yani dono apni apni jagah sahi hai.
Doctor K K: Theft can never be right in any sense or in any way. If we do it and give argument that our act is right we are wrong. The act of theft is not right in any religion or even in communism. Once conscience even cannot accept this act if it is alive.
Bewaqoof: Dron hamla jo sawat mai hota hai ose dunya ki aksariat sahi samajhti hai, jabkeh beshumar log aur USA ke mukhalfeen ose ghalat samajhte hai.dono apni apni jagah per sahi hai aur aik doosre ki nazar mai ghalat hai.
Doctor K K: Drone attacks taking life of thousand of innocent people. Those who think it is right don't posses alive conscience. Satan also thinks that he is wrong but due to his pride he does not accept his blunders.
Bewaqoof: mai Allah Taala ko ghalat nahi maanta, lehaza Allah Taala ke hukum se banaya hua Shaitaan aur Shaitani group bhi ghalat nahi hai. aik doosre ki nazar mai ghalat ho sakta hai lekin dono apni apni jagah sahi hai.
Doctor K K: There is no doubt that Khair and Sher both has been created by Allah. But He did not say that I have made Sher which is right to follow. He has shown signs that which is right or which is wrong. Now it depends on us whether to follow him or not. Sher is always Sher and it can't be Khair.
Bewaqoof: Ji haa sab apni jagah sahi hai, aur doosre ki nazar mai ghalat. sahi aur ghalat ka faisla kerne ke liye adalat aur qanoon banaya jaata hai. lekin yeh adalat aur qanoon bhi doosro ki nazar mai ghalat hota hai. maslam iss waqt jo Talban hazraat hai woh hamari adalat ko ghalat samajhti hai, aur hamari adalat ko manne wale Talban ke adalat ko ghalat samajhte hai. dono apni apni jagah sahi hai.
Doctor K K: What is Fitna? It is defined by Holy Prophet Hazrat Muhammad P B U H that any thing about which you are in doubt whether it is right or wrong. How to behave in Fitna? Holy Prophet Hazrat Muhammad P B U H guided the Muslims about that. He told that whenever you find fitna then join any group which you think is on the right. And if you think both are wrong then sit in you house and don't support any party.
Example: The battle between Hazrat Ali R.A and Hazrat Mawia R.A was a Fitna. Those who thought Hazrat Ali is right they joined him while those who thought Hazrat Mawia is right they joined them. There was a companion named Hazrat Abdullah Bin Umar R. A. He didn't join any party since he declared no one was on the right. Many people in the Muslim community think that the followers of Hazrat Ali were right while other says followers of Hazrat Mawia were right. Allah knows better which were right or wrong. The rightness or wrongness doesn't depends upon the believes and comments of people. It depends on the Allah's will. Whatever has been said does not keep weight age. Accordingly, those who think Taliban are right they can support them, those who think they are wrong they can protest against them. Those who don't want to enter in either party they can do that also. God knows better who is right and who is wrong. Seek the sign of God and decide. And we will be awarded either paradise or Hell depending upon our decisions. If we made right decision we will be happy.
Bewaqoof: Iss dunya mai jo kuch bhi hai woh Allah ki marzi se hai, aur Allah ki marzi ghalat nahi ho sakti, lehaza iss dunia ki koi bhi cheez aur koi bhi nazaria ghalat nahi hai.
Doctor K K: Whether these theories are also right:
- Mary is the wife of God (according to Christians)
- Jesus is the son of God (according to Christians)
- There is no God in the universe (according to Communism)
If every thing every theory has been from Allah then it means the above theories are also right. It means we should not follow the instructions of Quran and Prophet Muhammad P B U H. At the time of conquest of Makkah, when Holy Prophet Muhammad P B U H was breaking the idols in side the Kabba he was saying that "Haq Aagaya Batil Mit Gaya. Beshak Batil Mitne Ke lye Hai". If the Batil is to be erased then how it would be right?
Bewaqoof: Spain mai Christian nazaria tha, musalmano ne os se jang lari jeet gaye tu waha Muslim nazarya qaim hua, phir 800 years ke baad haar gaye tu ab Spain mai phir Christian nazaria ko sahi aur Muslim nazaria ko ghalat samjha jaata hai.
Spain mai Musalmano ko fatah bhi Allah ki marzi se huyee aur 800 years ke baad shikast bhi Allah ki marzi se huyee. Allah ke hukum ke beghair tu aik patta bhi nahi hil sakta, iss dunia mai jo kuch bhi ho raha hai sab Allah ke hukum aur marzi se hora hai, lehaza ham kaise keh sakte hai keh kia ghalat hai aur kia sahi, ham jise sahi aur jise ghalat kehte hai yeh hamara personal faisla hota hai.
Doctor K K: If the Muslims did not leave to follow the orders of Allah and His Prophet Muhammad P B U H. If they behaved like true Muslims. If they did not commit sins, then even today we have been ruling over Spain and Christians would not be there.
ﻛﯽ ﻣﺤﻤﺪ ﺳﮯ ﻭﻓﺎ ﺗﻮ ﻧﮯ ﺗﻮ ﮨﻢ ﺗﻴﺮﮮ ﮨﻴﮟ۔
ﻳﻪ ﺟﮩﺎﮞ ﭼﻴﺰ ﮨﮯ ﻛﻴﺎ ﻟﻮﺡ ﻭ ﻗﻠﻢ ﺗﻴﺮﮮ ﮨﻴﮟ۔
Bewaqoof: Iss dunia mai shaitaan os waqt tak hai jab tak Allah ki marzi hai. Allah ki marzi ke beghair shaitaan aik din bhi nahi rah sakta
Doctor K K: If Sattan is there with the permission of God then who told that he and his deeds are right?
If he is here to misguide the people then who says to follow him?
Bewaqoof: aap ke kisi ko ghalat samajhne se koi ghalat nahi ho jaaye ga.
Doctor K K: Read this sentence in the reverse way. No body would be right if he would be assumed on the right way. If the people who are wrong realized that they are wrong then the quarrel will be over. However; it doesn't mean that they are right since they think they are right.
Bewaqoof: Allah Taala ne shaitaan banaya, takeh woh logo se ghalat kaam karaye. agar Allah Taala chahe tu shaitan ko khatam ker de takeh woh logo se ghalat kaam na kara sake, lekin Allah taala aisa nahi kerte. aur Allah taala ghalat nahi ho sakte…… Allah taala ne shaitaan ko banaya taakeh woh logo se gunah ke kaam karaye
Doctor K K: It means Allah wants from Sattan that he force on people to do wrong deeds and then I will punish them in the Hell. How ridiculous to say that all. Sattan is there and the people are also following him. But it does not mean that Sattan and his followers are on the right way. They are wrong. Allah has been sending to us the guidance either directly via conscience or indirectly via Prophets. If He wants that the people will continue to do sins then why He has been sending his guidance.
Bewaqoof:Allah taala shaitaan ko khatam ker de tu dunia hi jannat ban jaaye gi. lekin Allah taala ki apni maslehat hai keh woh filhaal dunia ko jannat nahi banana chahte.
Doctor K K: This world is created to examine the people and Sattan and Adam descendant here. The earth can never be the paradise. Some religions believe that they are right others are wrong; however others think that they are right etc. No religion says that they are following Sattan, is that true? Yes. Let me know why? Is that because all of them think that Sattan is on wrong way isn't?
Inference: All the people, Prophets, religious books insisting to prove that Sattan is wrong. You are the only person who wants to prove that Sattan is right. At this point I want to ask from Bewaqoof that please let us know what is your religion?
Bewaqoof: qanoon ke beghair sab jaiz hai kia aap os country ka name bata sakte hai jaha koi country rule na ho.
Doctor K K: If there is no country on this universe where there are no country rules existing then it is useless to say that every thing is right without rules, isn't?
Bewaqoof: drone hamla mai jo log qatal ho rahe hai woh kisi ki nazar mai sahi hai tu kisi ki nazar mai ghalat. isi tarah khoodkash hamla bhi kisi ki nazar mai ghalat hai tu kisi ki nazar mai sahi. aur sab hi apne apne nazarya ke lehaz se sahi hai.
Doctor K K: only the cruel one can say that killing of innocent people is absolutely right.
Bewaqoof: dunia mai har cheez sahi hai, jab tak keh os per koi qanoon na ban jaaye.
Doctor K K: It means after making the law a thing could be wrong, isn't? However you are continuously insisting to prove that every thing is right. If we alleviate the laws from the universe, it will not take few seconds to end with disaster. Am I right or wrong? Laws are made to keep right on the right and wrong on the wrong. If every thing would be right then there would be no need to make laws. The presence of laws in the world is to separates the goodness from the evil. It is not to separate goodness from goodness.
Bewaqoof: qanoon ki ghair mojoodgi mai qatal kerne wala shakhs apni jagah sahi hai,
Doctor K K: Habeel killed Qabeel on the seduction of Sattan. There were no country rules at that time. If I accept your theory, I have to accept that Habeel has done right thing since he followed Sattan.
Bewaqoof: pehle os se maloom kia jaaye keh os ne qatal kio kia, agar qatal kerne ka jawaz tha tu os ne sahi qatal kia, aur jawaz ke beghair qatal kia tu phir ose psyciatrist ke paas le jaaya jaaye takeh woh pata chala sake ke ose qatal kerne ka thought kio aaya.
Doctor K K: It means we have to give advice that George Bush must see a psychiatrist since he has shed blood of millions of Muslims with out any particular reason. Since the reason they have put forward to attack on Muslims on the basis of 9/11 was proved wrong. Isn't?
Bewaqoof: waise bhi qatal ki wajah jo bhi ho, agar qatal ke oopar koi qanoon hi nahi hai tu phir woh apni jagah sahi hai. agar aap kehte hai keh woh ghalat hai tu batai keh kis qanoon ke tehat ghalat hai. rule ko violate kerna ghalat kehlata hai, agar rule hi nahi tu qatal kerna violate nahi hua.
Doctor K K: If you can understand the difference between ILM and JEHL then you would not say this. Before, arrival of Holy Prophet Hazrat Muhammad P B U H, people used to burry their daughters alive since they were JAHIL. After coming of Prophet Hazrat Muhammad P B U H they have realized that they have committed sin. That was the ILM that has been delivered to them. It was the ILM that made Adam, Khalifa Tullah. There is no need of rules if ILM is there and the people automatically come on the right path.
Bewaqoof: saza ka taluq pehle se banaye huye rule aur qanoon ke mutabiq hota hai. aap kehte hai keh koi qanoon hi nahi tu aap batai keh iss qatal ka faisla kia hoga, qanoon ke beghair kaise pata chale ga keh yeh qatal jaiz tha ya na jaiz?
Doctor K K: It means law divides things into right and wrong and with out law every thing is right. Isn't?
Suppose if in a country, the law is made that any murderer what ever the reason for killing people would not be punished then what will happen in that country you can imaging. Blood shed would be started at extreme. Do you think that any thing wrong there? Whether the law is right or wrong? If right then Humanity will be wiped off if wrong then ……………. Sorry how it could be wrong as according to you every thing in this world is right! You told that law divides things between right or wrong. If suppose law is wrong then what would you say?
Bewaqoof: Zamir koi cheez nahi hoti, baad mai banti hai
Zamir bhi Allah taala ka banaya hua hai, zamir ki apni training hoti hai. hamai yaad hai keh hamare zamir ki bachpan se yeh training thi keh hindu ko maaro, isi liye mujhe hindu ke marne per koi afsos nahi hota tha. lekun jaise jaise mai iss manfi training se out hua tu ab mujhe har aik ke marne per afsos hota hai, chahe woh kisi bhi mulk aur mazhab se taluq rakhta hai. jab keh hamare mulk mai aise beshumar log mojood hai jo keh doosro ke marne per khoosh hote hai.
Doctor K K: First of all there is a difference between conscience and consciousness. You have intermingled both of them. Second how had you realized that killing of Hindu is not good? And now you get grief on his demise. From where did you get this inspiration? It is your conscience again who has shown you the right way. Who has trained your conscience? It is ILM actually that have done it. Now irrespective of the laws and rules you may decide what is right or what is wrong. Who has given you the guidance? He is Allah who has made the whole cycle of guidance. The ILM, Zameer, etc. If Allah does not want from the mankind to follow the right path then He would never create this cycle of guidance. Those who get pleasure on the demise of others are now awarded with ILM or they did not bother to get it when it was given to them.
Bewaqoof: Superego ko aap zamir keh sakte hai. kuch logo mai personality development Idd per hi aa ker ruk jaati hai. lehaza on mai zamir develop hi nahi hota, aise log jo kuch bhi kerte hai woh maashre ki nazar mai jaraim hote hai, lekin on ki nazar mai yeh jurm nahi hota, aur woh apne kiye par na pachtate hai aur na hi jurm kerne se baaz aate hai. iss ki asal wajah yeh hoti hai keh onhai maloom hi nahi hota keh sahi kia hai aur ghalat kia. sahi aur ghalat ka faisla sirf ego aur superego wale hi log ker sakte hai. Idd wale log nahi.
Doctor K K: There are a lot of criminals who are not born criminals and even their conscience is intact. If Sattan claims he is right then does it mean He is right?
Bewaqoof: Burai ke khayalat ka bhi zimmadar Allah Taala hai
Doctor K K: Shukar he ap ne ye nahi kaha ke burai ka zimmadar bhi Allah Taala hai. God has created fire. If any body intentionally jumps in the fire, would it means that he has burned by God since He made the fire. Now you would say that if God can he may safe him from the fire. Well remember there is the difference between Taqdeer and Tadbeer. I think your concept about it is not cleared. If all the things would be done by the God then what is the role to give mind to the Human being?
Bewaqoof: baharhaal dunia mai jo kuch bhi burai hai wo Allah ke hukum aur marzi se hai, aur os ke khilaf jo log hai woh bhi Allah ke hukum se hai.
Doctor K K: It is not clear what you want to prove. At one side you are saying that every thing is right. On the other hand you disqualifying your statement by giving another opposite statement.
Bewaqoof: jab chor aur daakoo jurm ker ke bhag jaate hai aur police onhai dhoondne mai nakam ho jaati hai tu aap khood hi batai keh chor aur daako ko police se kon bachata hai. Allah Taala bachata hai. Allah taala isi liye bachata hai keh chor aur daakoo ke zehan mai jo ghalat khialaat the woh bhi Allah ke hukem se tha, Allah ki marzi ke beghair aap kuch soch bhi nahi sakte, chahe woh ghalat baat ho chahe sahi.
Doctor K K: Agar Allah kisi Zalim ko dheel deta hae, jo uska tareeqa hae, Jaise Firaoon Ko de thi. Is ka ye hergis matlab nahi ke Allah Zulm ki favour kerta hai. Zalim Ka anjam uske zulm ke wajah se bura he hota hei. Aur jis ke sath zulm hua he usko sabr ka sila milta he hae. Quran perdke kuch log rahe rast pe aajate hain aur kuch gumrah hojate hain. Kyunke Hidayat be Allah he deta hai. Gumrah hone se pehle wo log agar dua manglen to kabhi gumrah nahi honge. Dua mangne ki Taufeeq bhe Allah he deta hae aur is taufeeq se koe insaan na mahroom nahi hai.
Bewaqoof: Insan ko 2 options diye gaye buraiee ya achaiee........."
aakhir 2 option dene ki zaroorat hi kia thi, sirf aik hi option kio nahi dia? do option dene wala jab Allah hai tu dono option par amal karane wala bhi Allah hai. Allah chahta tu sirf aik hi option deta aur iss dunia mai koi burai nahi hoti. ab agar Allah taala chahte hai keh dunia mai burai bhi rahe tu bechara insaan kia ker sakta hai, Allah se fight tu nahi ker sakta na.......
Allah taala ka maqsad kia hai?
Doctor K K: Those who pray to God and say Ehdinas Siraatal Mustaqeem. They would never be misguided. Allah has shown all signs of right and wrong. Its man who choose either way. If I accept your concept then it means a man commits Zina and after that he would say that Allah has brought him towards this sin (Nauzo Billah).
Bewaqoof: ji haa yeh sawal aap Allah se kare keh jab sab kuch aap ke ikhtiar mai hai tu phir jannat aur dozakh ka kia maqsad? mai tu khood hairan hoo ke iss ka kia maqsad?
Doctor K K: To jo daleel aap sabit na kersaken wo ham Allah se pochen?
Bewaqoof: yahi tu mai keh raha hoo keh Allah ne insaano ko ikhtiar dia hai, aakhir yeh ikhtiar dene ki kia zaroorat hai. iss ikhtiar se dunia mai burai hi burai phaili huyee hai.
Doctor K K: It means that even in your mind as well there are certain things which are wrong and for that you are saying "burai hi burai phaili huyee hai". Why are insisting to prove certain thing about that even you are not convinced by your self.
Bewaqoof: Allah chahe tu aik second mai dunia se burai khatam ker sakta hai. agar nahi kerta tu iss ka zimmadar bhi Allah hi hai, wahi behtar jaanta hai keh burai ko aik second mai kio khatam nahi kerta. agar Allah chahe keh dunia se burayee khatam ho jaaye tu shaitaan aur insaan kuch bhi nahi ker sakte.
Doctor K K: Till so far the people make Sattan responsible for bad deeds. Its first time that you have made responsible Allah for that. Man has created Car. If any accident happens and the deriver dies then according to you the founder of the car would be responsible. Isn't?
Bewaqoof: Allah ki koi bhi cheez ghalat nahi ho sakti jo kuch hai Allah ki marzi se hai.
Doctor K K: There is so much diversion in replies. Some times says "Allah chahe tu aik second mai dunia se burai khatam ker sakta hai. agar nahi kerta tu iss ka zimmadar bhi Allah hi hai".Some times says, "Allah ki koi bhi cheez ghalat nahi ho sakti jo kuch hai Allah ki marzi se hai". At one time says," baharhaal dunia mai jo kuch bhi burai hai wo Allah ke hukum aur marzi se hai, aur os ke khilaf jo log hai woh bhi Allah ke hukum se hai.". At other time says," Allah ne insaano ko ikhtiar dia hai,".
Conclusion: Dear Bewaqoof bhai. I am sorry to say that your own concept about what you want to say is not clear.
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