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Sooth
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| Posted on:13th Jun 2008, 2:38pm |
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 Rafa Yadain: Is it necessary in Salat?
namaz mai rafa yadain kerna.....es ko hadith ke according detail se batayain es ke procedure ke saath.
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| Posted on:13th Jun 2008, 3:00pm |
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 Rafa Yadain
As for as i know ke Hazrat Muhammad (peace be upon him) ke zamane me jab islam ka agaz howa to New muslims apne sath butt masjid me le atee the. Kion ke ye log barson se butto ko pujte the. foran buton ko chorna un ke lie mushkil tha. jab namaz ka agaz Qayam se hota to woh log butt apne baglon main daba ker namaz parhte the. Then Allah ke taraf se hukum howa ke Rafa Yadin karo. Next time namaz me new muslim ne jab Rafa Yadin ke kia Hath uthay to butt baglon se nikal kar zameen per ja gere. Ahista Ahista new muslims ne button ke Muhabat ko chor dia aur Masjid me butt nahin late the. Phir kuch arse ke bad Hazrat Muhammad (peace be upon him) ne Allah ke hukam se Rafa Yadain karne se rook dia.
This is all best of my knowledge. |
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rafaz
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| Posted on:13th Jun 2008, 3:39pm |
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 RAFA DAIN
I think this is not actually happen esa koi waqia neehen ha mostly arab mumalik k log rafa dain kerty heen khas toor say saudi arab k bee log jehan say islam poori dunyia may phela ha Arab mumalik klog kethey heen k rafa dain namaz ka ek juz ha jo k zaroor kerna chayee nehen to namaz naqis reh jati ha
oper jo wiqea aap ney sunai ha us ki derasal koi haqeqat neehen ha hum logon ko apni namaz ko naqis honey say bachana chayee aur rafa dain kerna chayee |
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| Posted on:13th Jun 2008, 4:19pm |
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Rafa Yadain Sooth
Now you know two peoples Opinions / Knowledge. Please investigate more and find out what is right.
App khud Investigate karen...
May God Bless us and keep us on right path. |
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Sooth
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Group: Members Joined: 18th Jul, 2007 Topic: 303 Post: 1941 Age:
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| Posted on:13th Jun 2008, 4:25pm |
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thnx to both of u Rafa Yadain kernaa chahiay mainay video me sudia me bhi kaheen persons ko kertay dekhaa hai but na kerain tu koi farq nahi perhta. |
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Maryam
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| Posted on:14th Jun 2008, 3:01am |
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sooth mai yahan par sirf ye kahongi k asal cheez namaz parhana hai . saudia mai log IMAM ABU HANBUL (RA) k manne wale hain or wo rafayadain karte hain jabk PAK mai ziyada tar IMAM ABU HANIFA (RA) k manne wale hain or wo rafayadain nahi karte . hamen pabandi k saath namaz parhani chahiye chahe kissi bhi sect se hon namaz ALLAH k liye hai or wo RAHEEM hai or ALLAH PAK ye nahi dekhta kis ne rafayadain kiya ya nahi balk WO ye dekhta hai kis ne us k hukam ki tameel ki. baz AHADEES mai hai k HAZOOR AKRAM(SA) ne akhri waqt tak rafa yadain kiya lekin baz mai hai k pehle kiya or bad mai tark kar diya (WALLAHALAM) . |
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SOFI
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Group: Members Joined: 09th Jun, 2008 Topic: 10 Post: 441 Age:
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| Posted on:14th Jun 2008, 3:32am |
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For All Assala moalikom
Emam abu Hanifa ka nazdeek Rafa yadain nahe hai Emam Malik ka bhe yahe Maslak hai aur isetarah Hanafi aur Malike tark karta hai Rafa yadain ko Emam Shafaee aur Emam Hanbal ka Maslak ma ijazat hai aur who karta hai jitna ap ko Arabe Mulk melange sara Rafa Yadain karta hai ose tarah ap ko Pakistan,India,Bangladash yaha sara Hanafi Maslak ka loog kaseer tadat ma hai isleya Rafa Yadain nahe karta.
Hades dakh na ka leya ya ketab legeya par moj ko pata nahe ketab ka name yaha lekhna ke ijazat hai ya nahe bata da moj ko agar ijazat hai to lekh donga |
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nadeem AOL
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| Posted on:14th Jun 2008, 3:54am |
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To All ! We people belong to that particular Sect which , we have grown up looking, our parents have been following. We quote other people which we know through our parents or our Sect's Molvi sahib, we hardly question them why is it so and why people of other Sects differ from what we believe in. Analyses, i think, is very important what we believe because we will be rewarded on the day of judgment what we did according to the teachings of Prophet PBUH, not for what our Imam or Molvi sahib has told us to believe.
Prophet PBUH said that "Pray as you see me praying".
This Hadith makes investigation, of right method for Nimaz, crucial for us. I think we should listen to all arguments and then decide which method lead us (with supporting Hadiths) to the Prophet PBUH's way of Nimaz. Otherwise we will remain confused as we are right now that what to follow, what is right.
I really don't follow a particular Sect, reason is that for example,
Hanafi Sect: as Hazrat Imam Abu Hanifa said "If you find any Hadith of Prophet PBUH conflicting what i told you then throw my words to wall and go for the Hadith of Prophet PBUH",.............you can see through investigation that many of believes of Hanafi Sect ignore Hadiths and go for what Imam said.
Ahl-e-Hadith Sect: They don't follow many things only because Hanafi Sect follow them.
We will have to put our efforts to find the way of Prophet PBUH.
Cheers.
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josh
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Group: Members Joined: 30th Jul, 2007 Topic: 47 Post: 2296 Age:
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| Posted on:14th Jun 2008, 4:46am |
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rafa yadain not necessary. According to my knowledge, rafa yadain kar lia jaey to bi gunah nahi hai, na kiya jaey to bi gunah nahi hai... dono soorto mai sawab hi milay ga..
Rafa yadain karnay wala ye samjhay k wo bara afzal hai kyonkay wo rafa yadain karta hai, aur ye samjhay k wo dosro say behtar hai to ye uski ghalti hogi aur ho sakta hai hai usay gunah bi milay. aur agar wo ye samjhay k dosro ki namaz nakis ho gaee kyonkay wo rafa yadain nahi kartay, to ye bi uski ghalti hogi...
is tara ki batain karna achhi bat nai hai k :
1- ye rafa yadain karta hai to isliye uski namaz sahi nai hai.
2- ye rafa yadain NAHI karta to isliye uski namaz sahi nahi hai.
namaz / ibadat ka sila Allah tala nay dena hai...
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rafaz
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Group: Members Joined: 14th Mar, 2007 Topic: 20 Post: 937 Age:
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| Posted on:14th Jun 2008, 6:00am |
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TEHQEEQ AND JUSTAJU Hum logon ko lkaeer ka faqeer neehen bunna chayee aur justaju kerney chayee k konsi cheez saeeh ha aur konsi galat islam arab mumalik say phela saudi arab say hamarey mulk may aaya to un logon ka amal saaeh ho ga ya k hamara....?
Imam charoon saeeh heen leken unho ney kbhi ye neehe kaha k koi bat hamari galat sabit ho jayee phir bee us ko pakrey rakho ,hmarey pass ktni waqt k sath sath knowledge aati heen ayr phir hum apney he terze amal may tabdeelyan ley aatey heen ,Hum logon ko us sachey deen per emal kerna chayee jo k hamarey MUHAMMAD (peace be upon him ) ney hum ko ALLAH k hukum say punchaya. |
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System
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Group: Members Joined: 03rd Jun, 2008 Topic: 40 Post: 2280 Age:
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| Posted on:14th Jun 2008, 8:18pm |
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4 Imams Right Actually all 4 Imams are right. One of the Imame followed our Prophit (Peace be upon him) the Begaining of Islam and 2nd Imame followed Middle of our Prophit (peace be upon him) Actions in life of Islam and others two follows Last period of our Prophit (peace be upon him) |
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ch Babar
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Group: Members Joined: 15th Jul, 2007 Topic: 32 Post: 1871 Age:
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| Posted on:14th Jun 2008, 10:44pm |
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Sooth aap aise question kyun poochti hain??? in ikhtilafat ki koi ahmiyyat nahi aor rafa-e-yadain karne/ne karne se nimaz pe koi asar nahi parrta, dono he hadees se sabit hain. |
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nadeem AOL
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| Posted on:15th Jun 2008, 6:53am |
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To All ! All are fine, it's just an opinion. Islam comprises of all periods, be it Begining, Middle or End.
Allah says in the Quran to follow Him and Prophet PBUH, no period is mentioned to follow. What Imams did, they will be held accountable for that on the Day Judgment. We people will held accountable what we did. Prophet PBUH said "I m leaving behind two things for you, one is Quran and second is Hadith, as long as you will hold them, remain united and if you will leave them then, divided into groups".
No Imam had aim to divide Ummah but this is we people who out of "Blind" love try to prove ourselves right and promote what we love to follow.
People in Pakistan follow Imam Abu Hanifa, do you know how he got this name ? Imam Sahib doesn't have any written book of his own like Imam Malik's book Moa'tta Imam Malik and Saheeh Bukhari written by Imam Bukhari etc etc.........Books which are attached with Imam Abu Hanifa's name are written by his students and two of his students disagree on particular matters that what exactly Imam said and both of them divided into further two groups.
Reason for telling all this is, we should accept any Saheed Hadith from any Imam and should avoid confliction. We should put our efforts to find the right way and must not say "All is right" as it shows negligence on our part that we don't want to find out the right way. Try to Investigat what Molvi sahib tell us in his lectures on Jumma etc, go to the other Sect's Molvi Sahib and find out the reason for disagreement, reconcile both of them accoding to Quran and Saheeh Hadith. Quran is very easy to understand, not because i m saying, Allah says in Quran that we made it easy to understand. Illeterates of Arab can understand the Quran then why can't we do that ?
Cheers.
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rafaz
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| Posted on:15th Jun 2008, 11:31pm |
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TO NADEEM Very very good and nice post i appericiate you and totally agree with you |
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josh
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| Posted on:15th Jun 2008, 11:39pm |
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rafa yadain. Conclusion yehi nikla k chahay rafa yadain kar li jaey , to bi theek hai, rafa yadain na ki jaey to bi theek hai, kyonkay MUHAMMAD (SAW) nay dono tareeko say namaz parhi hai... |
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nadeem AOL
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| Posted on:15th Jun 2008, 12:56pm |
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Josh ! Yes but after investigation. I emphasise on investigation.
If you do Rafa Yadain, do it after investigation
If you don't do, at least find the reason for that.
What Molvi sahib says is not final, final is Hadith.
We use medicine after checking its reliability because its the matter of our life, finding the right way to follow is connected with our life after death , it too deserves our sincere attention.
Cheers.
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nadeem AOL
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| Posted on:15th Jun 2008, 12:56pm |
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Rafaz ! Thanks.
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System
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Group: Members Joined: 03rd Jun, 2008 Topic: 40 Post: 2280 Age:
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| Posted on:20th Jun 2008, 12:59pm |
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Please Pay Attention I like to mention one thing here very Important.
Please Pay Attention
Hazrat Muhammad (peace be upon him) ne jo Ahadees farmee hain…. App ka Farman Ser Ankho per. Beshak Qurran and Hadis hamare Nab ke zuban se hi nikle hain Laiken Allah pak ne wada sirf Quraan ko Mehfooz karne ka farmaya he Hadis ka naheen . So is baat se faida utha kar kuch log jo ke selfish hain ne some Ahadees ko change kar dia. Agar Rafa Yaden ka zikar hamain Quran se nahin milta to please pay attention Someone can misguide you by saying their own words instead of what hadees has.
How it is possible that Allah pak has not mention in Quraan something which is very important. Because Allah pak ne har zarori chez ka zikar Quran main kia hai. Allah pak knew things will be changing later on. That is why Allah made only one resource Which is Quran has knowledge of every thing and every alam.
Isalm after Hazrat Muhammad (peace be upon him) in duration of Hazrate Umer e Farooq Khilafat was very glorious Strong and expanded. Ummer e Farooq (Razi Allah unho) has not made any effort to collect All Ahadees and put in one book. Off course Ummer e Farooq (Razi Allah unho) Practice Isalm the way our Prophit Hazrat Muhammad (peace be upon him) described. So he has all the resources to collect Ahadees but he still did not do it.
Mere pyare bhaio App se request hai ke next you read, hear or someone mention you Hadees Please open the Quran and find if Quran has mention any thing about what hadees say. Hadees will never be opposite to Quraan.
Specialy Sofi (member) has mention lots of Ahadees He should bring refrence from Quran.
(Wallah Alam) |
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sweetie
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| Posted on:20th Jun 2008, 1:20pm |
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agreed to nadeem and system but system, apki daleel about rafa yadain strong nahi hai, is liay keh Quran main baqi tamam namaz ke tafseeli anasir ka bhi zikr nahi kia gya hai, mukammal tariqa darj nahi hai, to is tara to sari namaz hi sawal ban jaay gi? |
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ch Babar
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| Posted on:20th Jun 2008, 1:25pm |
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System aap ke paas koi strong daleel nahi hae ma . jis ne hadees ka inkar karna ho woh yahi kehta hae quran se dikhao kahan likha hae. kya nimaz ki sari detail aap ko quran se he mil jati hae aor wahan hadees ya sunnat ke muhtaj nahi hain??? isi tarah roza, hajj zakat , ya deen ke sare muamlat ki tafseel aap ko sirf aor sirf quran se he chahye Hadees ki in cheezon ke liye koi zaroorat nahi hae???? jahan aor bohat se fitnay Islam ke khilaf paida howe wahan eik fitna inkar-e-hadees bhi hae. aor phir aap Quran ko kitna samjhte hain jo aap se jo bhi sawal kiya jaye aap us ko quran se he jawab dain gay????? |
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